Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by Bill Huffman, Nov 7, 2020.
I don't have the details of now many cases submitted etc, I don't follow this that close.
The AP and the New York Times both researched all 50 states and have announced that there has been no widespread election fraud. All 50 state officials reported this fact.
The interesting partial counter point to this is that SCOTUS justices are uniquely positioned in our system to be the least inhibited to be able to rule based in small part on their personal beliefs. Of course just because I say that they are the "least" I'm not really implying that they frequently do. I just thought it would be a fun way to point out their unique position.
News Max didn't call yet the elections and they appear proud of this.
NTD indicated that 180-190k PA ballots will, most likely, be thrown out.
People older than 113yrsold ( there is only one person that old in PA ) - many around 120yrsold have returned ballots. They all had birth dates of 1/1/1900.
People who returned ( post marked ) a completed ballot before they were even mailed out , etc. Most are related to improbable returned , or no post marks.
Possible reasons for no post marks is that they were returned in person.
The more they investigate, the more improbable ballots are found.
Also, reported were out of state cars returning trunk loads of ballots. Not sure how this will be verified.
For the two GA run offs, GA has closed a loop hole for out of states to vote. GA states that they will prosecute.
It is getting frantic.
Well. At least the Trump campaign is getting frantic.
You know, Lerner, the Trump lawsuits aren't like the Bush v. Gore case in the Supreme Court nor is it likely that any of them will ever be. The difference is technical but crucial. The Bush v. Gore court made a decision about the interpretation and enforcement of state election law. That's what appellate courts do. The Trump suits are mostly disputes of FACT, altogether a different thing. Trump is making claims of substantial fraud with no competent evidence whatever, which is why the trial courts are throwing them out as fast as they are filed, and asking that substantial numbers of voters be dis-enfranchised so that he, Trump, will win. Trial courts find facts and, unless the record on appeal offers no support whatever for a trial court's fact findings, no appellate court will set the trial court's finding aside. I don't think any significant appeal will lie from any of the dismissals the trial courts have entered so far. Disenfranchising voters is something no court is likely to look upon with favor. The Michigan suit, worse, seeks to disenfranchise mostly BLACK voters in Wayne County. Won't happen, Lerner. Absolutely WILL NOT happen.
I understand and I see Biden has sizable leads. I don't think its possible to overturn.
Still Trump’s attorney urged patience as his legal team seeks to coordinate lawsuits.
Republican controlled state governments began throwing their weight behind President Donald Trump’s legal drive to challenge the results of 2020 Nov presidential election.
A coalition of Republican attorneys general filed an amicus brief at the U.S. Supreme Court urging the justices to formally take up and resolve a dispute from Pennsylvania over a ruling that the state’s Supreme Court issued in September granting three extra days for the receipt of mail-in ballots cast in last Tuesday’s election.
So SCOTUS is being approached for side and resolve the dispute in PA.
Today Trumps legal team is in AZ, still trying to work on Maricopa county issues despite strong resistance and setbacks.
BTW, did Biden violated the Logan Act, he is not yet certified as President Elect and the calls he had with foreign state heads?
Reality of the election is not really part of this equation. The calculation being played out instead is greed. My conclusion is that Trump is playing it out this way simply to be able to continue soliciting funds from his supporters. He loaned his campaign a big chunk of money and he wants that paid back, probably with interest. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-fundraising-insigh/donations-under-8k-to-trump-election-defense-instead-go-to-president-rnc-idUSKBN27R309
Well, if GOP controlled state governments want to throw the election, they would have to substitute appointed electors for elected electors in order to secure the re election of the candidate who lost. That's the definition of tyranny and the result would be a constitutional crisis. Graham of South Carolina suggested it which I think should result in the Senate refusing to seat him. I know of no state governmental officials making any such proposals.
Decision Desk HQ just called Arizona for Biden. Took them long enough...AP called it last week.
125 accomplishments of President Trump.
and of course, 125. "Trump did all of this while fighting flagrant abuse and impeachment charges."
"President Elect" Joe Biden's accomplishments in 47 years.
and of course, 1. Not getting convicted.
Our system of government, while based in law, is so very much filled with norms. It is not designed to withstand from within a criminal in the White House and a sycophantic political party supporting him. We're seeing this in the transition. Trump is refusing to concede, which impedes the Biden administration from being in place when they takeover. Legal? Sure, for the most part. But normal? Of course not.
Note the purge at the Pentagon. Legal? Yes. Normal? Not even close.
This president is not constrained by normal, reasonable, or even fair behavior. In fact, he's not even constrained by the law (yet). The system isn't designed to deal with the election of an inept, lazy, selfish criminal. That's on us. Fine. I'm glad we didn't make that mistake again. But the ordeal isn't over--as we're seeing. He's determined to break every piece of china on the way out of the shop, and Republicans are (largely) letting him do it. Again, fine. I think they'll end up paying the political price they've been avoiding by not stopping this man. After all, 2022 is right around the corner.
The death toll from the pandemic is equivalent to three full airliners crashing daily. Every.Single.Day. The president has actively, purposely, and vociferously refused to take that on, and is proud of his inactions. That's the scoreboard you should pay attention to.
The only studies I've seen that helped reduce the death toll from the pandemic, comes from countries that had complete lockdowns. Oh I forgot, you get a paycheck working for the government while bullsh!ting on this forum! Must be nice!
The state election results will be certified on time. After that, I expect a court order requiring GSA to follow the law for transition.
Trump's accomplishments, some of which I admit are very real, are irrelevant to the fact that he lost the election and is leaving the White House whether he likes it or not.
Currently the death toll is much lower.
We know how better to provide medical help. The MD's are not in hurry to put patients on ventilators.
Some medications proved to be beneficial, including blood thinners etc. Medicine today helps the patients immune system fight off the virus infection.
My question do virus infections return after lock-downs and how severely?
The death toll can't go lower - unless some unfortunate victims are brought back to life. That ain't gonna happen. If you mean has incidence of death diminished? Possibly - likely because so many of the acutely vulnerable have already died. There is a smaller supply of the most likely victims - and hopefully, caregivers to the remaining elderly and infirm have woken up and do their jobs better.
Not going to get into the pseudo-medical gibberish in the middle. Neither of us are qualified ...
Yes - severely. Look at many European countries. France, UK, etc. Repeat lockdowns have been necessary. We've had to walk back some eased regional lockdowns to a tighter phase, here in Canada. And COVID-19 repeat cases are well-documented. Re-infection can occur in the same individual within about 60 days.
And with COVID-19, Christmas shopping is gonna be a bitch. Not for me. Mine's done, wrapped and paid for. 10 people. Money back in the bank. ZERO online. Not making Bezos rich, either. He's not my idea of Santa Claus. Hey, I even got all my Telecaster parts too, without resorting to the Internet. Didn't think that was possible, but - one phone call - and a lot of rummaging around in parts sections of music stores. More fun - and good prices too... gonna be a fantastic guitar. Wouldn't want to assemble a Buick that way, though! Ugly thought.
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