Trump is the Perfect Sore Loser

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by Bill Huffman, Nov 7, 2020.

  1. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    A crazy unsubstantiated statement by a person on the Internet or the CYBERSECURITY & INFRASTRUCTURE SECURITY AGENCY. Which should I believe? Hmm let us ponder this quandary.
  2. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    In the voting center were my wife worked for 5 days. One of the days the system was down so they started letting people in an hour late. Some of my friends who stood in line to vote that day also reported long lines and only around 10:30 AM they line started moving, they were told that system was sown
    This is a fact.
    So things can happen. but once the issue was resolved there were no issues reported. And the observers were allowed to observer. No apparent irregularities.

    The funny thing is that, America's Got Talent received 52 million people voted for who would win the popular talent competition show.
    They had the results really fast. Maybe their system should count the votes in elections?
    Last edited: Nov 13, 2020
  3. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Kayleigh McEnany

    Personal Page. Harvard Law JD. Georgetown. Oxford.

    I think, the issue ended up as a human error and not a machine glitch.
    According to the VERIFY.

    Hmm human error switched 6000 votes from Trump to Biden.
    We are only humans after all.
    Any human errors that switched votes from Biden to Trump?

    Let the "America Got Talent" show do the counting. They can do same day.
    Last edited: Nov 13, 2020
  4. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Even if it were so, which it probably isn't, it wouldn't change the outcome. What, exactly, do you want the courts to DO, Lerner and copper? Disenfranchise tens of thousands of eligible voters? Require hand recounts? What?
  5. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    The opposite, validate not disenfranchise. I think its happening, obviously for the people who voted for Trump, they feel there are heavy clouds on this elections.
    If there is noting to hide have the allegations investigated.
    When you have affidavits of hundreds of people testify, they risk consequences for providing false info.
    I think the clouds can be lifted, the voters will go away some licking their wounds.
    I remember in 2000 recounts were either under way or in prospect in four states other than Florida; New Mexico and Oregon hurried to complete their tallies etc.
    Now that AZ will certify its elections results this most likely seals Biden's victory.
  6. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    A system that is really fast where we can "vote" as many times as possible from anyplace in the world like an automated voting farm in St. Petersburg, Russia for example versus a system with identifications, verifications, monitoring, etc.. Which is better? Hmm let us ponder this quandary.
  7. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    So, with the Trump administration announcing that this was the cleanest election in history, I think we’re done with the election results.
  8. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Psssh, you just don't see the danger to Our Great Country! CISA is an Anna Graham for "CIA's", which shows that they belong to the deep state that hates America and wants to take down our Great Patriotic Leader!
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  9. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    (True!) :):)

    Nice one - but PLEASE stop it, Steve! I'm laughing so hard I've got a bellyache! :):)
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  10. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Well , I guess this didn't pass as a joke. Or you think I meant this seriously.
    This was sarcasm, with all the advanced high tech we have, one would think that elections systems can be more advanced.

    Many of these new systems still run on old software that will soon be outdated and more vulnerable to hackers.
    An Associated Press analysis has found that like many counties in Pennsylvania, the vast majority of 10,000 election jurisdictions nationwide use Windows 7 or an older operating system to create ballots, program voting machines, tally votes and report counts.

    AP Exclusive: New election systems use vulnerable software

    I did heard my son saying that grandpas computer is unhackeble and most secure then newest ones.
    Because its running an old OS, it to slow, it has no admin account as even he is accessing it as a guest and uses modem to dial in to internet provider for short periods of time.
  11. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Well-Known Member

    Oh boy, this is atrocious. I keep asking myself when Trump will declare Biden the anti-president (as in: anti-pope)...!
  12. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

  13. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Yes it is but not that bad yet. I think the main damage is to our fellow Americans who are still addicted to the lies of the pathological liar. Of course, their misguided outrage hurts our country and will drive more to wacko even more outrageous websites like Newsmax and OANN. Which will further divide the country.

    It did pass as a joke. Not a real funny joke but a joke none the less. My nod to the joke was my phrase "Hmm let us ponder this quandary." Which was my joke response to your previous statement which I thought should have been a joke but probably wasn't. What I find amusing about it is that I believe many that are even deeper in the Trump cult would not consider either of your statements a joke. Sorry that my jokes are sometimes so obscure. I tell the jokes mostly for my own amusement. If others get a chuckle then that is just a big bonus. Regards,
  14. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    The issue of disenfranchisement seems to be figuring in any suits. Well, really, there's no other way to reverse a state election result and judges really don't like that idea. That’s why I keep asking Trump supporters what, exactly, they want the courts to do. Under the gobbledygook lurks mass disenfranchisement and no one on Trump's legal teams wants to admit it.
  15. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I looked at an article that seemed to imply that the Trump side had some law offices pull out of the case in Pennsylvania. Is there some kind of basic professional integrity problem with working on suits that are without any legal merit? Is that perhaps part of what is going on here, lawyers not willing to tarnish their professional reputation?
  16. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Throw out the election and declare Trump president again. Rational? No. But neither is supporting this man, before, during, and (now) after the election.

    I don't care what one's political persuasion is, this is just nuts...and has been for this guy's entire term. I'm glad I don't have to sacrifice everything I believe in order to root for my team. I mean, to do that, I might as well be a Yankees fan.
  17. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    By the way, my guess is that Trump will never concede the election. He'll continue to fail in the courts, of course, and (eventually) the Electoral College will make Biden the new president. This, of course, will occur after all the states (and DC) certify their elections.

    But with all of that, Trump will still not concede the election. He can't. He needs to be able to maintain that it was stolen from him, so he can continue to stoke fear and hate in his base--who will be happy to believe the same thing. He thinks he's going to continue to be a power broker in the Republican Party--and he might be right. He thinks he can run again and be nominated in 2024, and he might be right. Of course, he also fears criminal prosecution and civils suits left and right, and he might be right about that, too.

    The effect will be to freeze out the incoming Biden administration until the last possible moment. Biden's team probably won't be able to do that until the Electoral College results are counted by Congress on January 6th. That means our country will be more vulnerable during that time, and nothing will get done on the next Covid moves for weeks. Right at a time when we're seeing a record spread of the virus--with a huge spike in deaths just around the corner.

    If this is acceptable to you, fine. But own it. Don't hide behind some "right" that the president has to file dozens of nuisance and pointless lawsuits that have nothing to do with whether or not he concedes.

    Great. Just great.
  18. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I don't think this is the case with the majority of Trump supporters.
    I think they are genually belive that there were to many iregularites, fraud etc. They want to be certain that this is not the case.
    They want the complaints to be investigated. Transperety.
    I think many would be redeamed if they prove that there was significant whide spread problem that will make Trump the winer.
    But they will walk away if proven that this is not the case.
    When you watch a futball game, there are referees and if there is despute they review the recordings from different cameras and make a call.
    This is what majority of Trump supporters want.
  19. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    The way things are going its doesn't appear that he will concede.
    Instead he will announce his candidacy for the 2024 run.
    I speculate maybe he learned a thing or two form Obama/Biden how they politicized the IRS and number of other agencies.
    Also knowing that he will be a target for prosecution, I'm speculating he is handling this as well.
    I hope I'm wrong and once all is settled he will concede.
    First he should start getting Biden involved in security briefing.
  20. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    What I said
    He might have to do that from Saudi Arabia, but I wouldn't be surprised.
    That is an empty right-wing talking point. No one has politicized the executive branch like this guy. This is well-documented.
    We both know he won't. He can't. He needs to be the victim while simultaneously claiming to be the victor. It's a tired act, but it's the only one he has.
    Not a chance. Not until the law requires him to do it, which is after Congress counts the Electoral College votes on January 6th.

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