SMC University accreditation Status for PhD Programs

Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by erhijakpor, Apr 20, 2010.

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  1. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    With due respect, Lerner, I think that could be problematic - unless I'm severely mistaken, as does happen from time to time. :)

    I've read somewhere (maybe in another forum) that one of the many requirements for Swiss Federal Council recognition is that the school have a faculty of at least a hundred full-time professors -- something well-nigh impossible for a distance-learning school of this nature.

    I think that degrees from any school's ACBSP-approved programs should be widely acceptable. Unfortunately, my opinion counts for nothing. :)

    Johann
     
  2. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    Hi Johann - I think you're being too hard on yourself. Your opinion counts more than nothing. Not a lot more, but still, more than zero. With us that is. ;)
     
  3. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Hi Kizmet -

    Nice of you to say that - and good to know my opinion might occasionally count for something here.

    To be more specific - my opinion of a degree, school or program counts for nothing in the corporate world, from which I am long-retired. In the academic world, I guess it counts for as much and no more than that of any individual student. Not a lot, but yes - something, I guess.

    Outside the DL fora, degrees and programs are judged by that incredibly large number of folks smarter than me: Accreditors, Deans of Admissions, Faculty members, HR Managers, Chiefs of Info, Tech, Finance and Janitorial Supplies, etc... :)

    As I mentioned, it's nice that I get my say here, once in a while!

    Johann
     
  4. Aloy

    Aloy New Member

    Point taken on the Swiss Federal Council, but following this argument IMD as it is not listed either.
     
  5. jimkayalar

    jimkayalar New Member

    This is my follow up posting to the SMC DBA program. I have now started course of 7 of 8 and can say that I am overwhelmingly satisfied with my SMC experience. Distance learning differs from class room learning and the SMC have adapted the context of their courses that allows for a good learning experience. I have also published two cases “Wujiang Motor Company, China” and “The Generics Pharmacy, Philippines” during the last year. The SMC have also launched a number of higher education programs this year. This institution is growing fast!

    As for the accreditation debate: Go to the ACBSP web site and check out member schools. There are a whole bunch of familiar North American Schools on the list.
    As for the dissertation process: I personally know three students that will be doing their dissertation defenses this year. I hope to do mine next year.
     
  6. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Good luck on your dissertation next year! Go get em!!!!!!!!!!!

    Abner :)
     
  7. kygama

    kygama New Member


    For whatever it's worth to this discussion, here is a quote from the proposed revisions to the HLC/NCA Minimum Expectatioins with the Criteria for Accreditation:

    Criterion 2
    16. If the institution is predominantly or solely a single-purpose institution in licensed fields, it demonstrates that it is also accredited by or applying to a CHEA- or USDE-recognized specialized accrediting agency for each field, if such agency exists.
     
  8. John Rogers

    John Rogers Member

    I am sorry to resurrect a long-dead thread, but I thought I would let it be known that I had my Ph.D. from University of Central Nicaragua evaluated by IEE (NACES member), and it was assessed to be equivalent to a Ph.D. awarded by a regionally accredited university in the United States.

    Perhaps the learned academic cadre frequenting this site would be interested in updating their information for the sake of accuracy.

    Thank you,
    John G. Rogers, Ph.D.
     
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  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Do you have proof of this?
     
  10. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    And isn't it "Central University of Nicaragua"? That's what Universidad Central de Nicaragua means in Spanish.
     
  11. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

  12. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I read his profile before posting.

    I'm not questioning the degrees. I'm asking if their is proof of the claim of a successful equivalency evaluation for a UCN PhD. It doesn't help that he lists the school incorrectly, but again, I'm not questioning that he received these credentials.
     
  13. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    Meh...

    I've stopped blinking when lawyers refer to their degree as a "Juris Doctorate." Now, my pulse has stopped quickening when I hear someone with (usually) an Ed.D. referring to their "Ph.D." Not accurately translating a school name? This does not really register for me, personally.

    As for proof. What proof do we have of anything on this forum? One person has claimed they received a favorable evaluation. They listed the evaluator. It is, like so many things, a bit of information that you can use with the knowledge that YMMV.
     
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  14. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    With so much information coming from people with skin in the game--people connected to this thing--it would help to actually see the evaluation, especially given the nature of the school. Establishing the fact claimed would be quite the breakthrough, but I don't think such a significant milestone should be accepted prima facie. It needs support.

    If the report came from a disinterested party, fine. If it came with support, fine. If it was about a "normal" situation, fine. For now, however, it is an unverified claim by someone with a distinct interest in establishing it as fact.

    So, I'll go out on a limb and call it B.S. until demonstrated otherwise.
     
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  15. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    Ouch, lol.

    Well, in defense of John (not that he needs me to defend him), he did in the past complete a Doctorate with SMC and then admitted to getting a non-regionally accredited evaluation from ECE:

    Usually when someone is mill-shilling (is that my second word-coining, lol?), they come from a base dishonesty that never admits any negatives against who they're shilling for. Of course, UCN is not a mill and I think John's claim is credible. I would be interested in seeing the evaluation however, as I think it really helps for the public to see as much useful information as possible in these matters.
     
  16. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    It's not binary. Someone can describe their experiences--even recommend them to others--and not necessarily be called a shill. He could just be a sincere devotee. But...

    When you have skin in the game, you're no longer a disinterested party immune to bias. The more mundane your claim, the easier it is for others to accept. But the more out there it is, the more I'd like to see evidence beyond that (potentially biased) reporter.

    Finally, "non-regionally accredited" and "unaccredited" should mean two different things. We know what the latter means, but "non-regionally accredited"? Does it mean not unaccredited? Accredited by an unrecognized accreditor? Accredited by a recognized--but non-regional--accreditor (national or professional)? It is an unfortunately vague term of art.
     
  17. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    I feel certain he isn't. It's just that, at least on this board, when old threads about very obscure schools are resurrected, it's usually by a shill or a past or current student who knows their school is fraudulent or not properly credentialed but wants to put out a defense of it online. I see it as a personal relief effort (making themselves feel better about a bad choice), and/or an attempt to brighten the online narrative for present and future colleagues who may stumble onto the thread at some point.

    Agreed. It's not a term I would normally use, but it looks like I caught the bug from reading John's post :). As you know, it's common for FCEs to use the term "non-accredited". With them, you're either regionally accredited or non-accredited, or at least I've personally never heard of any FCEs that used a different term for the evaluation result.
     
  18. Maxwell_Smart

    Maxwell_Smart Active Member

    I would like to see it, too. Having the document out there might help others on the fence feel more secure about enrolling. I have no issues with the school itself, it's just some of their partnerships don't look great, but not every evaluator will make as big a deal of that as WES does. Hell, I'm not sure any evaluator makes as big of a deal of things as WES does, but that's a whole different discussion...
     
  19. TEKMAN

    TEKMAN Semper Fi!

    Actually, he did one stone kills two birds type of Doctorate. I enrolled in SMC University's Doctor of Finances; after you earn a degree there, you will be rewarded a Doctor of Philosophy (Ph.D.) by the University of Central Nicaragua. I dropped out because I did not feel the degree from these institutions adding any value to my credentials.
     
  20. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    BOGO. Can anyone do it, or do you have to have a Groupon or something? /s
     
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