SMC University accreditation Status for PhD Programs

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  1. erhijakpor

    erhijakpor New Member

    Hi All,

    I am glad to be a member and I wish to know SMC University Switzerland PhD programs accreditation status.
  2. Ian Anderson

    Ian Anderson Active Member

  3. BarSta

    BarSta New Member


    didi you find anything because i am interesting to enroll to SMC...

    thank you
  4. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    The PhD in Economics program is not accredited. All of their other doctoral programs, including the Doctor of Political Economy program, are accredited by ACBSP.

  5. BarSta

    BarSta New Member

    enroll DBA?

    i'm thinking to enroll to DBA; what is your opinion about SMC?

    thank you
  6. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    I know this will make a few people mad, but SMC is not really accredited. It only has a CHEA recognized accreditation and that is not worth much without it being coupled with RA. Your credits are unlikely to transfer. A degree from this school is not legal to use in many states and as the accreditation clamp down continues it will be even less useful.
  7. jackrussell

    jackrussell Member

    I think the programs are accredited but not the school itself. Looks fine just that it is a hassle explaining to your potential employers. I do hope they accredits their Economics PhD soon. Sounds Interesting.
  8. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    The programs are not accredited and the school is not accredited. The accreditation they have is not government approved. CHEA means nothing; I want potential students to be clear on this. I would hate for some student to sign up only to find out his degree is not legal to use in their home state or country. Germany calls degree's from SMC substandard.

    US DoE=Something

    CHEA and the US DOE are two different things. SMC has a CHEA approved accreditor, not US DoE.
    This school has no government approved accreditation in their home country or the US.
  9. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

  10. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    I think that you are confusing at least two separate issues and probably misinterpreting both of them. RA/non-RA and CHEA/US Dept. of Education.

    Credits rarely transfer on the doctoral level, so that's a red-herring.

    Many Degreeinfo participants don't live in the US. Judging from the first post, I'd say that the initiator of this thread isn't a native English-speaker.

    Here in the US, most states don't have degree-use laws. Those that do typically recognize CHEA recognized accreditation. The same thing is true in state and federal government hiring, state licensing boards and such things.

    For occurances of 'CHEA' and 'accreditation' on state and federal .gov websites, see here.
  11. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    No I'm not Bill. This can’t even be called a RA vs. NA issue, the ACBSP does not fit in this category. Is there even a CHEA vs. DOE issue, I think not.

    They do sometimes; most schools will take a class or two in transfer. But SMC offers undergrad and masters programs as well.

    Maine, Texas, Organ.....etc Also this degree can't be used in most EU countries.

    Show me one Government Job posting that let's someone use a CHEA only recognized accredited degree. I could not find one state with degree use laws that made mention of CHEA as a approved body. Having ACBSP will not allow you to obtain any state or federal license or job. A quick search showed that all the jobs that required a degree for federal employment had to be accredited by a US DOE recognized accreditation agency.

    Why is it so hard to say that this school has no accreditation that is approved? They do not even have accreditation in their home state. You could do very little with this degree in the US or Europe.
    There are not many states other than a small handful that this school could even operate in the US. Heck people from Switzerland cannot even attend this school. I’m not say it’s a mill but let’s not fight about this issue, when it is a fact they have no recognized accreditation that will get you anywhere.
    Oh the link you provided only uses CHEA as an education reference about accreditation. Most did not actually recognize CHEA as an approved agency.
  12. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Because it's not true. You can say CHEA doesn't matter, but as someone who's worked in higher education for nearly a decade, I know that's not so. When you say CHEA doesn't matter, you sound like those nutjobs who say the sixteenth amendment was never ratified so income tax isn't real and put their zip codes in square brackets.

    SMC is not institutionally accredited, and as a result it can be said that SMC's PhD in economics program and Bachelor's degree program are unaccredited.

    But all of their other programs are recognizably accredited by ACBSP, including all their other doctoral programs and all of their Master's programs.

    As for Germany's opinion, they're so retentive that they don't even recognize American regionally accredited doctorates in business -- only those that also have AACSB are good enough. So if you're using them as an argument, you're basically taking regional accreditation off the table as well.

  13. caddy

    caddy New Member

    I looked on the Maine, Texas, and Oregan non-acreditited lists and Swiss Management Center is not listed. From that I would say they have accepted them.
  14. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    Well Steve higher ed is not the real world. In the real world, people here talk about how lacking a DETC degree is in utility. DETC is Chea and US DoE approved. If that's the case then where does that leave ACBSP? Is ACBSP a great agency? Are they top notch? Are they the best? If I were to agree and say that CHEA meant something, then that would mean you end up with a NA degree. I’m still trying to figure out how four people manage two agencies and keep up with the accreditation of all those schools.
    Take a look at the wiki page on SMC.

    But nice tactic saying if I believe a certain way then I must be a nut job, or should be compared with one.
  15. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    CHEA recognition doesn't mean that ACBSP is the "best", that's why there's more than one accreditor of business programs recognized by CHEA, with a third having applied. It means that the accreditor meets particular standards when it comes to their processes.

    Either way, a programmatic accreditor is not a national accreditor, so someone getting a Master's from SMC would not have an NA degree.

    I don't know what you mean by this. Neither CHEA nor ACBSP has so few people.

    What about it?

    Okay, I guess that's obnoxious, but when you have no experience in higher education yet claim that CHEA is irrelevant with such certainty, it just sounds pretty crazy to me.

  16. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    It's true that ACBSP is currently recognized as an accreditor by CHEA only, and not by USDoE. However, many other programmatic accreditors have exactly the same status. For example, the same thing is true for ABET, the programmatic accreditor for engineering degrees.

    Yet every US state has licensing laws or regulations that favor ABET-accredited degrees for engineering licensure. Federal agencies are normally exempt from state engineering licensure laws, but even the Feds use ABET accreditation as a degree standard for the licensure of patent professionals.

    So ABET accreditation is widely accepted as a professional licensing criterion at both the Federal and State levels -- despite the fact that ABET only has official recognition from CHEA, and not USDoE. I suspect this is probably true for other specialized professional accreditors as well.

    For example, ACBSP is a recognized accreditor for the purposes of CPA licensure in Utah. So the assertion that "Having ACBSP will not allow you to obtain any state or federal license" appears to be demonstrably incorrect.
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  17. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    Ok that wonderful about ABET, but is ABET accrediting programs in unaccredited school? Your whole point is irrelevant to this topic. The jobs/license you talk about still have to hold institutional accreditation, I see you did not read the anymore than the link you displayed. The school has to hold RA as well as the programmatic accreditation. You just came in here and started stomping around in an attempt to muddy the water. You clearly have no idea what is being talked about if you bring ABET into this.
  18. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    ACBSP is only suppose to accredit RA schools or there equivalent which SMC does not have. In theory if they did take ACBSP as standalone (which they don't) it would be with the understanding that the ACBSP only accredits schools at the RA level.
  19. Ian Anderson

    Ian Anderson Active Member

    yes they are.
  20. GeneralSnus

    GeneralSnus Member

    Yes. The ABET-accredited Master of Test Flight Engineering is offered at the institutionally-unaccredited National Test Pilot School.
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