First 2024 Presidential Debate

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by TEKMAN, Jun 28, 2024.


    TEKMAN Semper Fi!

    What do you think?

  2. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    The question for viewers was if either of these candidates were incompetent. Biden didn't help himself.

    Trump lied for 90 minutes, but the country just doesn't care.

    I'd give the win to Trump.
  3. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I think the moderators did a good job. They made it about the candidates , not them.
    Now the well known channels in damage control mode, to fix the viewer minds.
  4. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Poll: 67% believe that Trump won
    The alarm bells for Democrats
    According to a poll by the CNN network, a majority of 67% believe that Donald Trump won the first debate tonight, compared to only 33% who believe that Biden won.

    I think our President suffered from a cold, to me, he appeared fragile not feeling well.
    I don't like debates when there is a lot of attacking of each candidate's character etc.
    To me after such attacks both sides damaged.
  5. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    I couldn't bring myself to watch.

    Nate Siver, erstwhile 538 guru, gives Trump a 66% chance of winning in November. The only real hope I have is that Democrats continue to outperform the polls in special elections. I personally am horrified at the thought of a second Trump term and I'm a pretty average voter. If I feel that way, so do a lot of other voters. Will it be enough?

    Political parties throughout history have always committed serious mistakes that had serious consequences even though the potential for harm was obvious at the time. I think the Democrats are committing just such a mistake now.
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  6. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Weirdly, the Democrats have a pretty good shot at keeping the Senate and gaining the House. Given that split ticket voting is uncommon nowadays, will Biden benefit?
  7. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    From what I'm hearing from alarmed Democrats this morning, I suppose I should congratulate Gavin Newsom for winning last night's debate.
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  8. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    If the perception among Biden voters and however many swing voters he needs is that he's substantively failing at the job of president, that's not survivable. If the perception among those voters that while performing the job of president acceptably, he looks and sounds tired, that's survivable.

    A popular feeling during the Trump administration was that people wanted a more boring president, and a president they could go a day without thinking about.
  9. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    If the concerns about Biden today were merely in the New York Post and the Washington Times, that would be one thing. But they're in the New York Times and the Washington Post, which is quite another thing.
  10. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    Claire McCaskill reflects some honest assessment when she said she is happily a surrogate for the President but couldn't do it. He didn't do well. At one point he badly lost his train of thought and was saved by the Moderator who called time. So he finished up with "we beat Medicare"!

    He should have never been allowed to run (neither should Trump). He is a cognitively quite elderly man who looked bad trying to find his way to the podium and needed his wife's help to get down the stairs afterwards. Between those two was nothing to assure us. The Party allowed him to embarrass himself and our country.

    Choice between a candidate for Visiting Angels Care and Mr. Chaos.
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  11. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Chris Hayes got it right when he said it's the job of the president to run the country, but it's the job of a presidential candidate to communicate.

    Did that look like communication to you? Bid actually failed to meet even the lowest of low expectations. And Trump lied for an hour and a half straight. Ugh.

    But I'm maddest most at Biden's people. What were they thinking? If that was what he was going to do, why didn't they call in sick and start working on Plan B? Because that performance did no one any good. And "performance" is the key word here. A lot of people are just looking for an excuse to vote for Trump, and Biden just handed them one.

    That's it for me, folks. I just can't care anymore. See ya around.
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  12. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Why did Biden agree to debate AT ALL?
  13. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Let me see if any universities in Canada are hiring.
  14. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Obama and other officials are going to sit down with President Biden for an intervention as he faces growing calls to step aside ahead of November.
    VP Kamala Harris is reportedly unhappy she isn't being considered as his replacement after the CNN Presidential Debate.

    Last night was not good for President Biden, possibly the second debate may be different.

  15. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    I don't think anyone who wasn't going to vote for Trump will now vote for Trump because of the debate. I also don't think the debate will change any Trump voters' minds. What I am scared about is that independents who would support Biden or maybe did vote for Biden in 2020 will just stay home this time.

    My experience with election policies is local but Tip O'Neil was right. All politics is local. One thing I've learned is that you don't win by showing how terrible your opponent is. Better to say nothing about your opponent at all. You need to present your own vision of the bright future your being in office will guarantee.

    Trump knows this full well. He's painting a picture of his next term in the White House. Some, like me, are appalled but others are not. They will turn out to vote, too.
  16. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    In fact, why would Biden dignify Trump by debating him? Is there anyone anywhere that doesn't understand the contrast between Biden and Trump? And even if such people exist, there won't be any shortage of other commentators and pundits to explain the differences over and over and over. Biden needed to spend his time looking and being "Presidential". Others besides Biden himself would show Trump being decidedly "non-Presidential". Lord knows there's plenty of video out there.

    But no. Hack politician that he really is, Biden wanted a show-down. Mano a mano. It's so stupid.
  17. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Sorry, I missed it. Where in the video does it say that?

    Assuming that's actually true, then at least it would show that Democrats remember what happens when you run a presidential candidate that almost no one actually likes.

    Anything is possible, but I don't see any reason to expect so.
  18. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Highlights from the first presidential debate of 2024:

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  19. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    Trump doesn't seem old just chaotic and potentially dangerous. Biden is old. Physically and cognitively more like a 90 year old.

    I agree with Steve that Kamala would be a horrible choice. She isn't liked and doesn't seem competent (in no way ready to be President). They need someone who has some charisma, competency, and moderate. Newsom has name recognition but baggage (what some would consider extreme positions that would be fodder for the other use).

    At this point Oprah Winfrey looks better than Biden. She has business, international experience and decency on her side.
  20. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    I’m profoundly reluctant to change horses midstream, concerning either Democratic ticket member.

    it came to it, I’m looking at Gretchen Whitmer.

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