DETC Doctorate program accreditation

Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by Lerner, May 22, 2011.

  1. AdjunctInstructor

    AdjunctInstructor New Member

    Thanks Dr. Pina

    Thank you. It makes me wonder if this will change. There seems to be a slight trend, or at least I believe there may be, towards the Ed.D. moving towards a professional focus. There seems to be more Ed.D. programs requiring a doctoral study instead of the traditional dissertation. Of course the doctoral study is the exception and not the rule at this time. But what about twenty years from now? I may be wrong about this. Moreover, both dissertation and doctoral study Ed.D. graduates are skilled in research methods. Again, thank you--you always have something informative and enlightening to share.

    P.S. even us with the Ed.S. have a fair amount of research method skills. But I have seen many Ed.S. programs structured more like a second master's degree. Not at Liberty University --we do take a good portion of the Ed.D. research level coursework. That amazes me in the differences in the Ed.S. programs.
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  2. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Sorry man, your story's cool, so I sort of told it for you. ;-)

  3. Anthony Pina

    Anthony Pina Active Member

    You are right that there are a few schools (Vanderbilt chief among them) that are moving toward distinguishing their Ed.D. from their Ph.D. by having distinct coursework and a dissertation geared toward solving specific organizational problems. This is, however, the exception, rather than the norm. In most cases, an Ed.D. at one school will be nearly identical to a Ph.D. in education at another.

    There does not seem to be a strong trend among Ed.D. programs at regionally accredited universities toward abandoning the research dissertations (as this would tend to open up criticisms about a program's lack of rigor). However, the DETC's website seems to indicate that the DETC may be planning to go this route.
  4. Anthony Pina

    Anthony Pina Active Member

    You are too kind.
  5. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member Staff Member

    B ecause they covet titles?
  6. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member Staff Member

    Why not? If you have enough money to do the deal, how about buying a whole bunch of Ferraris that are old enough to be considered classic cars, start a father/son project restoring them, have yourself a veritable museum of Ferraris that you rarely ever drive. No?
  7. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Unlike the doctorates -- there is the potential to sell the cars at some point for a profit.

  8. truckie270

    truckie270 New Member

    Well-played Sir. Totally out of context and irrelevant to the analogy, but well-played.
  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Considering the idea of practitioners using the doctorate to (a) learn the theoretical bases for their academic fields, (b) add to the canon of knowledge in said fields, and (c) use the resulting credential for professional/practice purposes, the potential for a good ROI on a doctorate earned at a DETC-accredited school seems strong. At least for (a) and (c) above, since (b) would be highly improbable.

    I am both for and against this, and very comfortable in that paradox.
  10. ryoder

    ryoder New Member

    I have a good friend with a DETC doctorate in physical therapy at a B&M school. It has served him well.
  11. truckie270

    truckie270 New Member

    Ah, the ubiquitous "I have a friend" response. I know a guy who was convicted of a violent felony many years ago - he did his time, was released, he managed to turn his life around, and now has an outstanding job. That does not mean that his experience is common or a career path worth recommending to anyone who is torn between a life of crime and the straight and narrow.

    I would be willing to bet your friend's position at a B&M has absolutely nothing to do with his DETC doctorate and is based solely on his PT credentials.

    Your red herring has made me hungry for fish tonight.
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  12. GeneralSnus

    GeneralSnus Member

    Not to detract from your general point, which I agree with, but Mr. Friend, DPT may have been hired based on his DETC doctorate. Programmatic accreditation from CAPTE is what matters in PT programs, and the University of St. Augustine (DETC) holds it. In that respect I suppose it isn't too different from law, where some law schools are ABA but not regionally accredited. In any event, it is certainly an outlier with regard to the subject at hand.
  13. ryoder

    ryoder New Member

    Let me clarify this. My friend attended a DETC brick and mortar school, earned a doctorate, and now runs 5 clinics. It is not an endorsement of NA over RA, its just a statement of fact.

  14. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member Staff Member

    A DETC doc from a B & M schoool? Since DETC stands for DISTANCE Education and Training Council, I wouldn't think there were ANY B & M schools in the DETC. What is the name of your doctoral alma mater?
  15. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member Staff Member

    Thanks, I think.
  16. ryoder

    ryoder New Member

  17. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    The DETC has accredited entire B&M schools for no good reason. Deakin is currently accredited by DETC. The University of Leicester was. Both are traditional B&M unis offering DL programs. In fact, a single division at Leicester (the CLMS) was DETC's client, but the whole school got "accredited" in the process. (The CLMS subsequently dropped DETC at the advice of a consultant. You're welcome.)
  18. Randy Kearns

    Randy Kearns Member

    The University of St Augustine College of Health Sciences (USA) has three B/M campuses; St Augustine, FL Austin, TX and San Marcos, CA. Their focus is health sciences and as such, they need people on campus for the core component of their degree programs. Some things you can't really do with distant education so for most, their students physically live in these locations. They have two doctoral programs; DHSc and EdD and the EdD has a distinct slant with teaching in the health sciences field. The EdD has the least on campus requirement for all students, two siminars during the enrollment. In terms of full disclosure, I've taken several of their EdD classes and thus far, it's been as challenging as anything I've experienced during my RA Masters and RA Doctorate. USA just had a DETC visit for reaccreditation and has an upcoming visit from WASC. I don't have other DETC experiences to compare to so I can't personally speak to the other DETC programs in general. Nevertheless, my RA doctorate is from a very old state university with a great academic tradition but was also a 6 figure experience. Thus far, I've completed several classes at USA that are also challenging yet don't break the budget to do so.
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  19. Randy Kearns

    Randy Kearns Member

    And I stand corrected.... the bulk of the programs at the University of St Augustine College of Health Sciences (USA) are masters level programs. There are four doctoral programs at USA; the Doctor of Physical Therapy (DPT) the Doctor of Occupational Therapy (OTD) as well as the DHSc and the EdD. Also, the DHSc also several options, ranging from mostly residency based education to that which is mostly an online component, similar to that of the EdD.
    The programs are found here: but are all health sciences oriented and generally for graduate level students who either want to pursue a degree or one of several continuing education programs for those in the health sciences profession. All three B/M locations are basically classrooms and labs for health science students with the USA main campus being adjacent to an orthopedic hospital where much of the clinical training occurs. Their Physical Therapy programs are accredited by the Commission on the Accreditation of Physical Therapy Education (CAPTE) the gold standard for Physical Therapy.
    (Thanks for the note....I don't live in the Physical Therapy professional world but this should be a better description than I offered earlier.)
  20. garristotle

    garristotle New Member

    Use for DETC Doctorate

    DETC Doctorate to me represents a sound choice in furthering education beyond the Master's level for advanced positions where the degree itself might not necessarily qualify one for entrance into new job fields (presumably one is likely already a mid-career professional if considering this track) but provide applicable, advanced critical thinking and practical research capable experts who are better positioned to be thought leaders in their specific field of practice.


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