Can anyone else NOT stand Nancy Grace?

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Conservative. Convert to Catholicism. Engaged. Receiving treatment for breast cancer.

 

I strongly suggest that anyone even reading this not engage in any form of sexual harassment anywhere.

Who wants to check on the group discount?

 

All the women discussed here are public figures, and are therefore fair game for just about anything, short of libel or slander. Mentioning that they're attractive certainly doesn't qualify for either.

I would be more concerned if I had used the words like "stupid" or "shrew" in this thread, as that could be used to establish hostility towards women.

 

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Well, I never used the word "stupid." And as for "shrew," that, under these circumstances, isn't actionable, either.

But I wasn't even talking about that. I was talking about how we're objectifying these women in this thread. It's outrageous. I'm not saying it's outrageous as in lawbreaking or anything like that. I'm just saying that those here who've engaged in it should not be surprised, then, that women think we're all pigs.

My mentioning using any of it in court was tongue-in-cheek; and referred to how sexist stuff written here could be used against the writer in court, later, if said writer should ever happen to sexually harass someone (separate and apart from anything here) and should end-up getting sued for it. What's been written here falls into the category of stuff from one's past that has a nasty habit of circling back to haunt one in currently unforeseen future events... such as being sued for sexual harassment someday in the future. Some of the people here, having written some of the things they've written, would be hard-pressed to claim, later, that they don't make a habit of objectifying women. That was my point.

Of course, I realize that some, here, have now begun being even more outrageous precisely because I've made mention of it. I get that... as would most any other reader.

But I'm just sayin'

 

While I have not read them, I believe that both Ann and Laura have written books that were enormously popular (in the sense that they sold many copies) as well as being controversial. I think that these books played a major role in their current positions and popularity.
Jack

 

I, for one, do not care if SOME women think ALL men are pigs. That's kind of what makes the world go 'round, is it not?

And for every one of those sanctimonious ultra-feminists, there are several others who find humor in all of this - which is also what makes the world go 'round..... If this were not true, then how do you explain the rapidly expanding number of boob jobs in the modern world we live in?

 

Because the men in the lives of the women who get them still call them "boob jobs."

 

Well, maybe I'm "tainted" because I lived in South Florida for a while, but I can assure you that many of the women I knew there who got a "boob job" did so against the wishes of their husbands/lovers and for their own self-esteem (however misplaced!). I speak from personal experience here..... LOL

Different strokes for different folks, but I most certainly prefer my strokes from the up-tight, frigid, "we're too old to party" crowd that exists nearly everywhere else in the country.... and I thank God to have a soulmate/friend/wife who is assertive, independent, definitely the equal of any man, but who still enjoys enhancing her sexuality for the pure joy of it.....

What a country!

 

I agree!

Good points Carl, I have am lucky enough to be married to a lovely woman as well (possesses all of the qualities you describe). I have a few friends, some of the my age (39) who act like they are 80 years old for heavens sakes! They actually make themselves old before their time! What a shame. We will all get there soon enough, why hurry up the process.

I had a beautiful lady in the gym tell me she should not wear skirts (I commented on a fashion magazine she was reading) above the knee because she was fifty years old. I said I am sorry, but who made up that rule! You have a great figure, and you should wear what you, to heck with the rules. It seems to really boost her ego! (And no, I was not flirting with her!) I told my wife about this and she said, Abner you are absolutely right.

Just a few thoughts!

Abner

 

And they're right ... in upwards of 99% of the cases!

 

Hmm. My guess is that any woman who would get a "boob job" probably has a male significant other who is a boob. There are only two reasons why God gave women breasts. Reason # 1 is so that, should a woman ever round up her choice of husband, boyfriend, or lesbian lover, she can enjoy it when her significant other licks them for her. Reason # 2 is so that, should a woman ever choose to have a baby, she can feed said baby until he/she is capable of consuming hard food. At any rate, SIZE DOES NOT MATTER in the female! You boob (dual entendre intended)!

 

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Hey Abner! Thanks for the support (no pun intended!) I guess some people have not yet figured out that we live in a POST feminist age.....

party on...!
Carl

 

Desmond Morris speculated that human females have outsized breasts (relative to other mammals) to sexually attract in the same manner as do buttocks in mammals spending their time on all fours.

 

On the other hand, small mammary glands can be attractive when a man finds that they usually tend to be attatched to women who actually have intelligence and good personalities. That said, there are, no doubt, some women who are very intelligent and have nice personalities who have unfortunately been cursed with large mammary glands.

As for function, the female ape has "titties" no bigger than a male humanoid's but she still manages to give milk to her babies.

 

Oy.

This isn't about being uptight or frigid or too old to party or most any of the other things you guys have opined here. This issue falls into roughly the same category (or at least type of category) as white people not being able to use the "n" word, but black people can. Hear me out...

Men somehow have it in their heads (usually both heads... which, I suppose, is part of the problem) that just because women bother to make themselves as attractive as they can, we, in response, get to ogle and objectify them and more or less treat them like meat... much as been done here, for example. Such underlying cultural male sensibilities (to which most males are usually -- sometimes intentionally -- blind at first, and then, later, resentful for its having been pointed-out to them... as will soon be demonstrated here, I predict) are at the socio-sexual etymon of nearly all -- usually quite subtle -- forms of sexual (or, more accurately, gender) discrimination and/or, worse, harassment.

It may not seem fair, but as with blacks' use of the "n" word and the same being off-limits for whites, women are allowed to get -- to use language you'll understand -- "boob jobs," but men don't get to talk about it... at least not as if it were a "thing," as opposed to a person. In fact, we're not supposed to "thing-ize" it even before the boob job. We're not supposed to think of it as a "thing" at all. But, alas, we do. And women hate that, believe me.

But -- and this is the really important part -- men's having thought of it, and them, as "things," since time immemorial, is at the root of said "things" being passed-over for promotion, or paid less, or sometimes beaten until they must move into a battered women's shelters, or treated like meat in bars, or wolf-whistled at by thick-headed construction workers as they walk to work, or treated like nameless and faceless sexual objects by men who pay for all manner of sexual services from prostituted women. It's all connected. Men don't see it. Women don't want to. It's about respect... and always has been.

Very little that has been written in this thread shows very much respect for women. That that's the way it's always been doesn't make it right. The women's movement -- like most any movement -- may have crossed certain lines now and then into the realm of ridiculousness, but the underlying notions upon which it was founded and based are valid and sound. Men don't get it... and if what men have written in this thread is any indicator, probably never will.

Men could do themselves a great favor by not being so dismissive of feminism, generally; by bothering to figure out at least what it's supposed to be about; and then reading a little about it and trying to understand why any of it is even an issue. Every movement has its zealots. Men should not judge the entire women's movement by those within it who seem to be a bit over the top. There really are valid and compelling issues buried in there... issues that men -- and, by their having done so, women -- could benefit from mens' having gained an understanding of and, most importantly, a sensitivity to.

You will dismiss and ridicule me and all that I've written here, of course. You will continue to think it's okay to go to Hooters after work with a bunch of your back-slappin', hootin' and hollerin' buddies; or to visit the strip clubs or massage parlors out near the airport when your wives aren't looking; or even to pick-up a hooker over on the bad side of town now and then. You will pay lip service to equality for women in the workplace because, after all, even a dog can be trained to stop doing some things; but you will still secrretly think -- perhaps not consciously, granted -- of women as inferior workers, just generally. And we will never see a woman president in most -- perhaps even any -- of our lifetimes.

It is not a defense that women seem to play right into our prejudices by going out and getting "boob jobs;" or by making themselves attractive; or by wearing short skirts; or by any and all manner of other seemingly tacit approvals of our oafish notions about them. Centuries of adapting to being treated like second-class citizens (or, in some countries, even worse) has made them survivors, not necessarily willing participants. Begin with your own wife's decades of faked orgasms about which you've never known (and which she will almost certainly deny and go to her grave having never admitted), and go from there.

When you know what it's like to have your ass or a breast grabbed in a crowded room or on some form of public transportation; when you know what it's like to get out of your car and enter a 7-11 and have the teenage boys sitting on the hood of a nearby car make cat calls and wolf whistles at you; when you know what it's like to be thought of as having a "place" in the home or in subordinate positions at work, or to be called "baby" or "honey" there; when you've known the sting of the realization that you were passed-over for a promotion based solely on your gender; when you've experienced being beaten senseless by a shirtless, tatooed, drunken bastard of a husband or boyfriend just because you're handy; and/or when you truly understand what it's like to be raped, for example...

...then, and only then might you even begin to get it. And until then, I fear, you will, in your clearly-don't-get-it fashion, keep on reducing to talk of tits-and-ass those discussions which should be about whether the likes of Nancy Grace or Ann Coulter are objectionable because what they say or write or do.

And, by the way: South Florida -- home of almost more sexist Cuban (and usually Republican) men per square foot than in Havana itself -- is hardly a place by which any of it should be judged. Latinos, as a culture (with obvious exceptions, of course), are notorious for their shameless, unapologetic objectification of women! Don't believe it? Just tune-in to almost any talk show, news program, or game show on Telemundo, Telefutura, Azteca, Galavision or Univsion and you'll see all the uncalled-for tits-and-ass for nothing more than tits's and ass's sakes that you can handle! Watch, with a critical eye, virtually any of those Spanish-speaking networks for more than five minutes, and you'll begin to realize just how far the women's movement in the United States has brought us; and, moreover, how precious little stands between that and a tragic digression right back into our male-dominated, woman-hating past.

An America that is observably enlightened about male objectification of women and, therefore, refuses to condone behavior that fosters it is not uptight, frigid, or too old... though it's no surprise that men who don't get it would characterize it that way. It's not that men aren't supposed to notice that women are beautiful and sexy; or that we're not supposed to be attracted to them on however many levels; or that we're not supposed to notice their legs or breasts or whatever else it is that even they clearly intend for us to notice. But just as we use our silverware properly; and eat slowly and without gulping it down; and don't talk with our mouths full and chew with them closed; and keep our elbows off the table; and properly place a napkin in our laps and dab (rather than wipe) our mouths with them; and scoop our soup away from us; and don't make noises as we drink... just as we do those thing in the name of civility, there is a deftness with which we, as men, could (and should) be approaching our relationships -- be they personal, professional or any and all other manner of social -- with women that, if we could learn it and employ it with skill, would enhance our lives and, most especially, those of the women in them manifestly.

Or we can just keep on being pigs... and misinterpreting the ability of the women in our lives to cope with grace as an indication of their tacit approval. It's our choice. I, for one, choose to get it. You guys, on the other hand, can -- and, no doubt, will -- choose not to. It is, after all, a free country.

My points illustrated as only Ted could do (and is almost certainly doing, at this point, just to needle the likes of me).

No we don't. You just wish we did, and are acting accordingly. But wishing won't make it so. It only betrays you to women for what they know you are, and won't dare tell you. Go ahead and deceive yourself.

Which probably explains why those most obsessed by them tend to have a higher marginal propensity to behave like baboons and other old world primates.

Oh. My. God.

 

Do you care if there are some men who think all men are pigs?

 

And to precisely which men -- around here, at any rate -- would you be referring? If you're ramping-up to characterizing me as being one of them, think again. I don't happen to think that all men are pigs. Nor do I need to specify which ones I think probably are. The women in their lives know...

...and that's punishment enough.

 

IIRC, that was in Morris' reasoning.

Female apes attract males with their prominent buttocks. Other than J-Lo, female humans have less prominent buttocks and so attract with otherwise superfluously large breasts. So, at least, goes that theory.

 

Good to know you are free of irrational prejudices, Gregg.