Can anyone else NOT stand Nancy Grace?

DesElms! I know for 110% sure that I'm not thinking with my lower head. How do I know this? Because Viagra doesn't work.
DesElms, that statistic you keep seeing every so often about women making 59c or 74c on the male dollar [not sure what they're making as of the most recent raise] is a skewed statistic in that those who have an axe to grind like to [wrongly] add the words "for the same work." It is an apples and oranges comparison. The problem is not that the dark side has set up some vast evil conspiracy to pay people differently based on what's between their legs regardless of whether that has anything to do with the job qualifications. The problem, my good man, is in the socialization. Why, for example, do mommies and daddies encourage little Johnny to be a medical doctor or a college professor while they encourage little Janie to be a registered nurse or an elementary teacher?
DesElms! 50% of domestic violence is perpetrated by women upon their husbands and boyfriends!
As for the issue of men using prostitutes, make no mistake about it: a guy's got to pay for his fun, one way or the other; it's just a question of whether he wants to pay long-term or short-term.
I agree that men don't get it. But, like I've said before, all I ever did was note that Nancy and Ann rate highly on the babe scale.
Who's being dismissive of feminism here? Certainly not me! I think that a woman has every right to: (a) do as she wishes with her body provided she finds a consenting adult partner; (b) secure an education at any school where she might have the grades and money to attend; (c) pursue any career she may wish, provided her career choice is legal in the jurisdiction where she chooses to practice. How am I an arrogant male chauvanist pig?
DesElms! I've never been to Hooters. While I have been to strip clubs before, I had no wife or girlfriend at the time. Moreover, during the three months I frequented the DejaVu, I made it my policy to limit myself to one dancer, have her sit and talk with me awhile as well as dance for me, and, after about a month, ask her if she loved me. While each of them called me a "nice guy," Dominique, Katrina, and Sheila each said she didn't love me. After three months, $3000+ in cash, and a $2000 pearl necklace, I decided three strikes, I'm outta here! I've been propositioned by exactly fourteen prostitutes & turned them all down because the services offered were, in my opinion, disgusting. That said, had I been solvent at the time, I probably would have considered marrying two of them, on the condition that they be willing to teach a naive little boy how to be man enough to please a woman, because those two had the good sense to have a heart-to-heart talk with me before mentioning sex. As for not having a female President in our lifetimes, Hillary in 2008 and 2012 and Chelsea in 2016 and 2020. And both of them get male interns (or female interns, if they prefer) hiding under the Oral Office Desk.
DesElms, get a clue! The way to tell whether the wife's orgasms are real or fake is by noticing whether she squirts her feminine deliciousness in your face when it's done! And besides, I was only married for half a year!
Well, it's been a long time since I've been subjected to some guy giving me a "titty-twister" ... junior high is by now a distant if painful memory. But let me assure you I know what it is like to: (a) have some guy noticing that my arse is eye candy; (b) be threatened with an arse-kicking because someone thinks I'm gay; (c) be passed over for promotion because of my gender; (d) see female bosses fire males who needed time to take care of their manic-depression while giving females the time they need to deal with their alcoholism; (e) be beaten by my wife (and then get arrested for same) ... twice within the first three months of marriage... which is why I 'm a used and abused and thrown away impotent little boy virgin divorcee.
Well, I'm not about to expose myself to the race card on that one!
Spare me the platitudes, DesElms! You accuse me of being an arrogant male chauvanist pig for merely acknowledging that Nancy & Ann & Laura are indeed very pretty, and now you think you can wriggle your way out of that one with this disquisition.
Actually, I have no idea how straight women manage to put up with men.
Actually, my only point was to demonstrate that size doesn't matter. But if that factoid needles you, cool!
Actually, we do live in a post-feminist age but let's be sure of the definition. While I was working as a business/history tutor in Seattle, I was having lunch with a young lady about ten years my junior whom I had met at a bookstore while browsing at some books on Civil War women's history. With us were the humanities/ESL tutor, an older lady about ten years my senior and the math/chemistry tutor, an older guy about twenty years my senior. The young lady said, "I am not a feminist." The math/chemistry tutor exclaimed, "What? How could you not be a feminist?" The ESL/humanities tutor and I explained that the young lady is a post-feminist, meaning that she grew up in a world where it was assumed that she could, if she so chose, become a lady truck driver or go get her choice of school, that she has the right to do something other than be barefoot & pregnant & in the kitchen, that she could sleep with any man she might want and get an abortion should she so choose, etc., etc., etc. In other words, post-feminism is not anti-feminism; it merely views feminism as an accomplished fact (or, at any rate, much more of an accomplished fact than it was, say, in 1958, for chrissakes). Additionally, post-feminist women tend to think that it's unnecessary to take all guys and stick their disgusting little things in the guillotine of history.
Peace! I actually kinda like you, DesElms!

 

Actually, DesElms, I was asking Carl if I have his permission to believe that all men are pigs.

 

Aw, DesElms, can you at least tell me if you think I'm a pig?

 

I'm not Gregg and I don't know if you're a pig, but it seems fairly clear that you are on the threshold of "DesElms level verbosity."
You're well short of the gold medal but a solid contender for the silver.
Jack

 

Maybe we need to increase the limit on characters per post to something more than 10,000 ... like maybe 15,000 or 20,000.

 

DesElms, you're probably more of a traditional feminist than I am, and from living in Miami (and visiting Cuba) I think your point about Latino culture there was too simplistic... but you're also making a lot of very good points that seem to be just going over everyone's heads. What an odd thread.

I used to work as a cocktail waitress in a strip club. It was pretty good money and I actually got harassed less than at some regular restaurants I worked at. I didn't really have any deeply felt moral objection to what was going on, but I would never do it again because of how cynical it made me. It's not that the men were disgusting because they were crazy about sex (men just tend to show it more than women) it's just how self-pitying they were and how many weird excuses they felt they needed for their behavior. Some of the strippers were supporting whole extended families back in Russia and Brazil, and none of them whined about how hard it was to find a date etc. etc. For me personally feminism has much more to do with simple respect and freedom than sex. Of course you can't totally separate those, but the way they interact is confusing and complicated.

 

Ted and qvatlanta,

For some rational discussion I would suggest the writings of Wendy McElroy, here and here .

 

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On the other hand, if one doesn't make it as a political commentator on CNN, MSNBC, or FOX, one could always get a job as a political commentator for some comedy show and finish all your political opinions with, "Never mind!"

 

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Ah! In a few years she'll be raking in so much dough that she'll either buy plastic surgery! Or maybe she'll just retire rich, young, and beautiful.

 

Any woman who thinks she needs breast enlargement surgery probably needs a psychiatrist far more than she needs a plastic surgeon! But then it is a woman's right to do as she wishes with her body.

 

well, this thread made me laugh a couple of times. I don't like Nancy Grace or Ann Coulter -- although both are very intellegent. I don't like Bill O'Reilly or Anderson Cooper either, BUT Anderson Cooper is better looking

 

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Do you really expect us to believe that you weren't flirting with the hot older female? You young devil you!

 

Gosh! She's cute, too! And she's got one heck of a good singing voice on her too!

 

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Well, there's Condi Rice, too!

 

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He, he, he he!


Abner

You just never stop busting me up Ted!

 

Very true!

I must agree, J-Lo is fiiiiiiiiiiiiiine!!!!



Abner

 

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He, he he he!


See ya Carl,


Abner

 

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Well, I had almost said "hot older chic" in reply to that earlier post you made about the 50-year-old woman you met at the gym. But then I figured, Nah, DesElms would bust me in the you-know-where for that one. But I must confess that naive inexperienced little boys like me think that older experienced women are hot!

 

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Yeah! Ann Coulter IS so much better-looking than Rush Limbaugh!

 

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