Can anyone else NOT stand Nancy Grace?

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Wow, Ann's cute too... even if a bit misguided politically. Unfortunately, she doesn't really talk to liberals (unless she must).

 

Dunno. I never heard of Ms Grace. I dislike Ms Coulter. I don't find either one of 'em the least bit attractive: too scowly, too scrawny, too screamy, too blond. But it's a bit crass to say either one slept her way to the top. Would one say that of a man?
I doubt it.

 

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Ann's not dumb, she's just highly abrasive and infuriating to liberals. Kind of like Michael Moore to conservatives like me. I don't think the man is dumb--I think he's crazy like a fox--but wow can he get under the skin!

 

I'm not all that enamored with Nancy Grace's looks. Actually, she looks a ton like a girl I used to occasionally date back in high school. No, not the same person, my friend's name was "Sue", and I doubt she ever would've aspired to being a nationally-known personality.

For that matter, I'm no big Ann Coulter looks fan, either. She's undeniably smart, but WOW she's skinny. It just doesn't do it for me. But to each his own.

I'm glad everyone doesn't have the same tastes as me, or I would've been competing with three billion other men while courting my wife, and I don't like those odds.

 

Aye yai yai!

This is, without a doubt, one of the most sexist threads I think we've ever managed to muster-up around here. Yikes!

Where either of these two women fall on the "babe" scale is (or at least should be) of no consequence. Good Lord... no wonder women tend to just roll their eyes at male behavior. My apologies, on behalf of men, generally, for the comments here. Honestly, we're not always pigs... just most of the time.

That said -- and since the subject's been broached; and at the risk of falling into the very trap of which I've just been so critical and apologetic -- I will say that both of these women are certainly easy on the eyes... at least in a purely physical sense. But, then again, those who know me well may or may not think there's really very much of a compliment there since I've always been one of those kinda' guys who tends to find something attractive -- beautiful, even -- about nearly any woman I happen to see. So, who knows. But I digress.

I also am a great believer in beauty (or handsomeness, as the case may be) being only skin deep; and that what's in one's heart goes a long, long way toward influencing my impression of one's attractiveness. I'm sure we can all think of someone -- be it male or female -- who's physically attractive, but whose heart is black; and who, therefore, is not nearly as attractive as s/he could be. Conversely, I'm sure we can all think of someone who's arguably homely -- maybe even downright physically ugly -- but whose heart is so filled with kindness that s/he's attractive in any light. Some reading here are, no doubt, married to such people... and couldn't be happier.

Based on that criteria, I must say that I find it difficult to see very much of anything beautiful or even remotely attractive about a woman as arguably mean-spirited as Ann Coulter. In fact, most of the time, it's difficult for me to see her as anything less than a downright spectacle. She's literally stomach-turning to me. But that's just me.

Nancy Grace, on the other hand, is a bit more difficult for me to talk about in these terms -- at least not without some background and explanation. I had contact with her and her staff during my time on the Laci Peterson web site (which, I remind, looks, today, almost nothing like what I created back in January of 2003... so please don't judge my web design skills on the debacle that one sees there now); and I found her (Grace) at that time, for what it's worth, to be a most delightful person, generally.

I also learned about her that her inordinate passion for "getting the bad guy" stems, in large measure, from her own painful life experience wherein her fiance was murdered not long before they were to be married. Her anti-bad-guy zeal is further informed by her having subsequently become a prosecutor -- and, apparently, a good one, from what they say -- for a while before finally taking the job at Court TV (and then, later, at CNN, too). She has always been a person who doesn't suffer fools, but her personal tragedy and her short but intense stint as a consistently case-winning prosecutor turned her, I think, into something of an anti-defense zealot.

Ms Grace also had very kind things to say -- both to me, and on the air -- about my work on the Laci Peterson site (again, work which is largely no longer visible on that site as it exists today), to wit:

• "There are updates, information, photos, information about the volunteer searches at that web site. The web site is fantastic!"
  
  -- Court TV's Nancy Grace talking about the Laci Peterson web site, while guest-hosting for Larry King on CNN's nightly program "Larry King Live," on February 10, 2003.

So, whenever I saw her either in-person or on TV after that it was a bit more difficult for me to be quite so critical of her.

But, alas, I am ultimately unable to return the compliment. The more I watched her during the Scott Peterson trial; the more I observed her roll her eyes at mere suggestions by others that there might be anything in mitigation of his alleged acts; the more I watched her cut off, or be dismissive regarding the opinions of, or otherwise disdainfully marginalize the defense attorneys and other panelists who dared to express a pro-defense observation or opinion; and the more shrill, judgemental, downright hysterical, and simply blind-to-reason -- especially when joined/supported by an all-female, pro-prosecution panel -- I watched her become during that trial (and since)...

...the less and less I liked her. I am, today, no longer a fan.

That said -- and, potentially, in her defense -- I know a little something more than the average person about what the producers of those cable news programs tell people like Nancy Grace they must do in order to keep the ratings up. Back when I was making frequent appearances on the cable news networks regarding the Peterson case, I'd been told by producers to do some of those things myself... with which requests I did not comply, I proudly add. If I learned nothing else from my god-foresaken experience with the Laci Peterson case and all the hoopla that surrounded it, I learned that the competition between the "big three" cable news networks (CNN, MS-NBC and THE FOX NEWS CHANNEL) is so fierce that the notion of attracting viewers by adding a bit of sensationalism (even -- and sometimes especially -- where it's simply inappropriate) is a tragically common tactic.

There is no doubt in my mind that many of the sarcastic and intolerant mannerisms, the back-handed remarks, and the judgemental reactions of Nancy Grace's on-air persona which some of us find so irritating are things she's been encouraged by producers to just indulge herself and allow to issue forth because of the boost in ratings that can result -- that I've seen result, with my own eyes. The sheer number of nutjobs that these high-profile criminal cases tend to flush from the woodwork is difficult for those inexperienced in these sorts of things to truly comprehend. Seriously. It's nearly impossible most of us mere mortals to get our minds wrapped around the sheer numbers of people -- crime buffs, conspiracy theorists, man haters (and women haters, too), skip-the-trial-and-just-hang-'em types, and incalculable mean-spirited others -- who flock to the cable news programs, web sites and forums, and the tabloid press to get their daily (or, more often than not, several times daily) fix.

To the cable news programs, those viewers -- howsoever misguided they may be -- are, nevertheless, potential buyers of their sponsors' products. I observed that there is no depth, therefore, to which said programs' producers will not stoop in order to rank first in the overnights.

If Nancy Grace is getting the kind of pressure from producers to attract that kind of audience that I suspect she's getting, then we may not be able to use her on-air behavior as a reliable indicator of what kind of person she really is. That said, my understanding from those with whom I've spoken who know her well is that she is, off the air, very much the same as what we see of her on the air -- unconscionable judgementalism and all... albeit a bit less strident, perhaps. If so, then that's too bad, because I kinda' liked her at first.

But no more... not for some time, now.

And I've never liked Ann Coulter. Ever! What a shrew! Ugh!

 

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Well, let's see here. Most management positions (the ones where there's the opportunity to require the underlings to "sleep their way to the top") are, no doubt, held by men and most of those, no doubt, are held by straight guys. At least that's my best guess. This would (if I'm correct in my guesstimations) tend to limit a guy's ability to sleep his way to the top even if he were so inclined. Of course if either Hillary Rodham or Condi Rice were president, I suppose lots of guys might wish for a position as White House intern. But I must agree with you that it is fundamentally bigoted and sexist to assume that any successful woman must've slept her way to the top.

 

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Except that Michael Moore is not nearly as good looking as Ann Coulter.

 

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Aw, come now DesElms! Am I truly such an arrogant male chauvanist pig? I never said that either of these women isn't intelligent and I certainly never said either of these women slept her way to the top. I merely noted that both women rate very high on my "babe scale."

 

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She may very well have come out of left field, but wherever she came from, she's in right field now.

Not that that's necessarily good, bad, or indifferent. Everyone has a right to their own opinion, no matter how mistaken they may be. Of course, everyone has a right to my opinion, too, if they're smart enough to want it, that is.

 

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No, it's not.

 

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Ah, but the big question is: Is there anyone man enough to tame this shrew?

 

Ann Coulter

I tend to avoid politically charged discussions because I feel that people who have strong feelings about their political views are not open to listening to valid points made by the "opposite side" even though they claim to be open minded people. At my local library, I saw a copy of Ann's book, "How to Talk to a Liberal (If you Must!) on display and I could not resist taking it home to read. My only disappointment in the book was that I hoped there was something in there related to the title...how to talk to Liberals so they would listen instead of getting mad and tuning me out. After reading the book, I realized if I repeated anything from her book to a Liberal, I would not be received warmly.

How can anyone call Ann Coulter stupid? Even if you disagree with her, she is surely brilliant and does defend her positions well. She has a sarcastic sense of humor. Some like that and some don't but I really enjoyed her humor. Of course, I'm mostly a moderate-conservative who doesn't like the Clintons so I guess it is only natural that I would appreciate what she says more than others who love the Clintons. People just shock me with the stuff they say because of their strong political feelings. Many people think my husband looks like President George W. I do not see the resemblence, but then I knew my husband before George W. and my husband is ten years younger. Anyway, I asked my sister in law, a known Clinton lover if she thought there was a resemblence. She thought there was and went on and on with pity for me and even said it would be so much better if he looked like Clinton! Clinton, Yuk!!! I feel that was very shallow of my sister in law to not be able to put her personal feelings aside and just answer, Yes they look alike, or no, they do not look alike. I am sorry but Clinton is not attractive in any way and knowing how he treats women makes him totally disgusting to me. I am a woman with more dignity than Hillary Clinton. I would dump a cheating husband rather than sticking with him just because it seemed the better plan for the career and political rise. Most Liberals get mad when conservatives bring up Clinton's "sex life" since it has nothing to do with his political accomplishments (or lack thereof). Well, I want to respect my president and I can tell you I have zero respect for that icky man. I respect Bush but I can also tell you that I don't agree with all his policies because I don't just pick one side and then automatically support everything they do and say. I'm debating whether to send this or not because in a way, I want to say my piece, but in another way, I do not wish to be bashed for my opinions which I am almost assured will happen if I post this. I'm not a person that likes to argue about politics. I was amused at all the male comments on the looks of these two women. One last comment on the way the two women (Ann and Nancy) look. I did not know what Nancy looked like until I checked out the link at the beginning of this discussion. As a woman, I'm not sure my opinion would count. I would not mind looking like Ann. The other one is not ugly but I but rather look like I do than like her.

 

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Bruce,
For once, I agree with you. In my fantasy world that all men have, Coulter sits at the right hand as my personal concubine and love slave.....

Nancy Grace would be an occasional diversion in my right-wing-politico harem/stable.....
Carl

 

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Send us pictures! (KIDDING!!!!) LOL!

 

Oh come on! Those skinny girls are good - sort of like having sex with a cricket? LOL!

 

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Well, in Clinton's case, it did, since he had to spend half his presidency arguing over whether receiving oral sex is an impeachable offense.

 

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You go, girl!

 

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Well, as I pointed out elaewhere, I would have had a lot more respect for President Clinton if he'd have have the manliness to hide under the Oral Office Desk while letting Lady Love sit in the Executive Swivel Chair.

 

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Suelaine,

You are very beautiful. And very intelligent. And very married. And, by the way, your husband has an incredibly good-looking Mustang as well as an incredibly good-looking wife.