Atlantic International University

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  1. ntzanza

    ntzanza New Member

    Atlantic International University is a great university that contributes to the world's educational development of Adults. It functions legally and accomplishes all the requirement needed according to Hawaii jurisdictions. Good reputation of the University enables its existence till present time. What matters is the quality of education equivalent to any university that enables to serve good purposes.
     
  2. ntzanza

    ntzanza New Member

    Atlantic International University functions legally in Hawaii and contributes to educational development worldwide. What matters is the quality of education that is equivalent to any other university. The university plays a significant role in educating adult professional since almost 17 years and recently accredited by ASIC. Talk the truth mr privilege!
     
  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure who "mr privilege" is, but I'll respond.

    One of the benefits of accreditation is that is supplies a reasonable conclusion that the education taken and degree earned will be useful and acceptable in situations where they are required.

    This university operates without recognized accreditation. ASIC is private and unrecognized for these purposes.

    Is it a good school? Hey, it might be the Harvard of Hawaii, but we don't know that. The burden of proof is on those associated with it. Your assessment--unsupported by specific assertions of fact--does not add to it.

    Additionally, while we cannot measure with authority the quality of the educational experience at this school, we can with much greater precision discuss the utility and acceptability of degrees issued by it. They are as accepted and useful as degrees from any unaccredited school. ASIC doesn't change that, either.

    So, you say that what "matters is the quality of education that is equivalent to any other university." Fine. Based on what? Without evidence, I have to reject your statement.
     
  4. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    As far as I am aware, this statement is true. The AIU appears to be incorporated in Hawaii and Hawaii appears to recognize its existence. And AIU appears to be including the disclaimer that they are not accredited, as required. So, kudos. Still, "functions legally" is not really something to be proud of. I mean, yes, it's good that it functions legally. But it's generally expected that a school "functions legally." It would be a bit like me proudly proclaiming that I'm "Not a Registered Sex Offender!" on my resume. Factually true. And not being a registered sex offender is much better than being a registered sex offender but it's a weird thing to take such pride in.

    That's the part we would like proof of.

    Agreed. Boy, this is tough. If only there was an objective way of evaluating this school to verify that the quality of education is equivalent to any other legitimate university. Why doesn't a person come up with some form of uniform standards and evaluate schools like this? Right, they do! It's called accreditation.

    Let's have a look at some of the company AIU keeps then, shall we? Since we're "talking truth" about this amazing accreditation through ASIC, would you care to enlighten us all as to why Warnborough College Ireland was said to be awarding worthless degrees by Irish regulators who assure the public that Warnborough is, in fact, not registered as an institution of higher education in Ireland?

    By the way, Warnborough is a "Premier" college at ASIC.

    To be fair, ASIC also accredits some clearly legitimate programs. Kensington College of Business appears to be legitimate but also appears to largely function as a center of learning for other, older and significantly better established universities. But the point is that ASIC accreditation, on its own, seems to mean next to nothing in terms of whether a university is functioning "legitimately." That said, ASIC is a recognized accreditor. I'm sure that they are reviewing institutions and, to their satisfaction, a school isn't an outright diploma mill (i.e. write a check and receive a diploma). In that sense, it's a bit like the foreign schools lacking institutional accreditation who have programmatic accreditation through ACBSP. Great, I'm glad that it isn't a situation where diplomas are effectively being sold but many of these other ASIC schools take it a step further and have their programs validated by established universities.

    If I study at AIU and the University of London is willing to validate those degrees then I can be satisfied that AIU is offering equivalent degree programs. But, at present, you've only really presented evidence that may reassure us that AIU won't sell us a worthless credential but they may very well make us work for it too!

    I realize this might sound nitpicky and unfair. But AIU is a U.S. based institution. As Rich notes, in the U.S., we regard accreditation as the basic gatekeeper for what is a legitimate university. The reasoning is simple; without accreditation you can't use the degree to 1) work for the government 2) get a professional license and 3) many private employers will throw you out the minute they learn your degree isn't accredited (by a U.S. accreditor if based in the U.S.). So the burden to prove that AIU is a completely legitimate, nay, a proper educational institution that "contributes to educational development worldwide" is not on myself, Rich Douglas or anyone else here. The onus is on AIU to prove to the world that it, despite lacking institutional accreditation, is completely up to spec.

    So, fine, you have ASIC. I'm pretty sure that you aren't selling degrees. Get yourself off of Oregon's no-no list and onto the "unaccredited but acceptable list" and you'll get my attention. Win over a licensing body to accept your degrees as licensure qualifying and I'll send whoever sits atop the AIU mountain a gift certificate for a delightful steak dinner along with a handwritten note acknowledging that AIU is a legitimate university. I'm not kidding. I will do this. And thereafter I will speak fondly of AIU all the days of my life and we will add it to the pantheon of legitimate unaccredited schools.

    Until then, I eye you with suspicion.

    Also, let's be real. You have 4 posts and they are all in support of AIU. You also appeared shortly after Legal Eagle (who similarly only supported AIU) "departed." It's pretty obvious you have a connection to the school. Name yourself. Name your connection to the school. Then let's engage in honest and open dialogue. You're far more likely to win us over that way than through anonymous shilling.
     
  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I ,too, am sure they are proceeding with due diligence, although they did once accredit Paramount California U. (gone), now alleged in the press to have Axact ties. See the threads. It appears ASIC found it necessary to pull the accreditation prior to the school's eventual um..."disappearance." Well, everyone makes mistakes, I guess. Other accreditors have yanked accreditation - lots of times. Not new -and it's not a perfect world. :smile:

    Just for info -- nothing else -- Here are some other American schools & universities ASIC has accredited:

    Akamai University
    American Liberty University
    American Learning Center (Candidacy)
    Atlantic International University
    Delta International University (New Orleans)
    Excel College
    Global Finance School
    Hasaca National University (Interim accredited)
    Revelation 3:20 Theological University
    The University of America
    Ubiquity University
    University of Atlanta
    Yuin University

    J.
     
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  6. ntzanza

    ntzanza New Member

    Brainwash! support yourself! The conviction that education for all is the right view and should not be restricted only to few privileged.
     
  7. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Ah, a familiar argument: the HE cartel. There are more than 4,000 accredited schools in the U.S. How does this unaccredited school serve beyond the "few privileged" in a way that these schools do not? Hint: you can skip the arguments related to costs, residency, subjects, time, and access.

    Please share how this thing provides something unique, and why it's worth it to students to give up accreditation. (There is an answer, but I bet you can't a articulate it.)
     
  8. ntzanza

    ntzanza New Member

    Understanding that the subject matter concerns "Adult University" will reduce the confusion "students to give up accreditation". Support universities that contribute to education! instead of being against.
     
  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Well, with the gale force of your logic crushing me up against the craggy shoreline of argumentation, I cede to your greatness. Thanks for clearing things up.
     
  10. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    Please elucidate. How AIU contributes to education better than an accredited university. Do not invoke ASIC (as that undercuts your argument entirely). Tell me what AIU specifically does that makes it more committed to education and produces greater deliverables than an accredited university. Bonus points if you can cite those things through third party sources that are not on the aiu website.

    Again though, you win no allies through anonymous shilling. If you identify yourself and your relationship to AIU we can have a productive and meaningful conversation. Consider what I'm saying wisely. This is an opportunity for you to make a good faith effort at winning over detractors. Whatever it is you think you're doing right now isn't going to do that. It makes you look like a defensive scam artist. And you may very well be. So, unmask yourself, prove me wrong, and let's engage in meaningful dialogue.

    Otherwise, don't and I am going to stop having such a neutral view of your school.
     
  11. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    As an aside, I went LinkedIn trolling and found something interesting.

    This was also interesting.

    In case you're not interested in reading, these are two individuals who, at least claim, to have AIU undergraduate degrees and graduate degrees from accredited universities (one is CTU, which is RA, the other is a reputable foreign university).

    I'm not sure what to do with that information but there it is.
     
  12. ntzanza

    ntzanza New Member

    Diverting the subject is not the solution. Why being against the concerned University, knowing that it functions legally and in accordance to Hawaii's jurisdiction?. Note: The accredited universities you are referring and comparing to may not be specifically concerned only with "Adult students". Therefore, care should be taken to understand their different position.

    I hope I will stop here, thanks for the contribution. It is good to make argument and learn more. A researcher
     
  13. mbwa shenzi

    mbwa shenzi Active Member

    So all is well in Hawaii, but what about Nigeria? AIU in Okija (by the way, how did you end up there, of all places?) is a foreign university operating illegally in Nigeria, according to Nigerian authorities. And your affiliate in Cameroon, you know the one that has an affiliation agreement with St Clements University too, is not in the MINESUP list of private higher education institutions, as far as I can tell. It appears to be a not-for-profit language school and yet it's possible to get a bachelor's degree from AIU for $5,000.
     
  14. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member Staff Member

    When an American school rushes to get some off-brand British accreditation I've never heard of before, I get a bit suspicious. When a university seems a bit geographically illiterate (like Atlantic International in the middle of the Pacific somewhere), I get a bit suspicious.
     
  15. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    I don't believe that one ever appeared in the California BPPE's directory, raising questions about whether it was operating legally in California. You would think that an accreditor would notice something like that.

    Here's a statement of issues that California's BPPE filed in June of this year concerning Yuin.

    http://www.bppe.ca.gov/enforcement/actions/soi_998592_amd.pdf

    Despite the deficiencies that the California authorities allege in this document, ASIC has seen fit to accredit this school.
     
  16. ntzanza

    ntzanza New Member

    Traditional universities and "online non-traditional universities for adults" their differences should be considered. The subject matter concerns "Adults students". If you are not brainwash you would have asked yourself why price differs in everything. The most important thing is obtaining high quality education.
     
  17. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    This sounds like it was run back-and-forth through Bablefish a few times.

    It is utterly non-responsive to the questions being asked.

    "Online non-traditional universities for adults" proliferate in the U.S. and routinely achieve recognized accreditation. I give a lot of credit to DEAC for that--I think their pioneering efforts made the situation better for getting RA.

    I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "why price differs in everything," but I do know that accredited schools are usually more expensive--but not in every case. Anyway, they need to be because running an accredited school is inherently more expensive when you can't cut the corners some of these other operations cut.

    It doesn't take a huge amount of bravery to agree with "The most important thing is obtaining high quality education." But you have not offered one iota of evidence that such a phenomenon occurs at the subject of this thread. But such evidence would be very welcome here.

    Finally, the "brainwash" comment--oft-repeated by you--is ungrounded. Most posters here have earned one or more degrees nontraditionally. Personally, I have two associate's, two bachelor's, an MBA, and two doctorates, all earned nontraditionally. The first six are all from RA, NFP schools. The seventh is from a British uni with a royal charter. If I'm "brainwash" (sic), then it's towards nontraditional higher education--a subject in which I hold another doctorate--not away from it.

    Please tell me how I'm brainwashed. It must be a blind spot for me.
     
  18. ntzanza

    ntzanza New Member

    Good that nontraditional universities have been recognized by you "Most posters here have earned one or more degrees nontraditionally. Personally, I have two associate's, two bachelor's, an MBA , and two doctorates, all earned nontraditionally." Don't be worried the argument is not directly addressed to you relating to your question of "Brainwash". The main concern here is to recognize the truth and stop talking jargon on institution instead of seeking ways to support and contribute to make things better. Thanks final discussion.
     
  19. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Considering that there is no discussion, just a parsing of posts equally weird and non-substantive, I must agree. "Thanks final discussion" to you, too.
     
  20. Garp

    Garp Active Member

    Not following all of this but if I am understanding correctly, the "accreditor" does not have degree granting authority nor is it recognized in a meaningful way. This school offers PhDs and PsyDs in research and clinical Psych respectively BUT you cannot do anything with them (like practice Psychology) because the school is unaccredited and you will not qualify to take the Psychology exam in US states. Is this correct?
     

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