Université Francophone Robert de Sorbon

1 at first Ray1212 posed as a "passer by" trying to uphold free speech & playing devil's advocate on behalf of RDS.
fair enough.
2 Then it appears Ray1212 is ( or may very likely be ) either some "RDS alumnus", or some RDS "representative".
While to me even n.2 is fine, you can't play both instruments at the same time, can you?
After all i am the one who said i might consider a degree mill's service in some circumstances of very limited scope, right?

What killed your advertisement, Ray, Michal, Gmail or whoever you are, was your preemption; your mauvaise foi.

You should have presented RDS as you did when you were forced to do so.

That is: RDS is an outfit of X nationality ( i still haven't gotten this one right: french, swiss, comorean, american... ).
RDS enjoys very limited permission to bestow degrees or else to evaluate/impart knowledge as it's not chartered/recognized by the french government.
However RDS operates on the ground of a local or else regional registration with french authorities in the capacity of an association devoted to higher learning.
RDS tries its best to implement the french version of PLAR provisions, known as VAE.
A caution for non-europeans: be aware of the difference between US & else higher learning process & the french styled one adopted by RDS.

PERIOD.

That is an HONEST description of RDS.
Don't assume all are morons unable to speak french or to fouiller la gazette officielle pour dénicher les mensonges charriées par n'importe qui.

T'as-tu compris, mon chum?

 

Re: !!!!!A Vote for a Change is a Vote for Ecole Supérieure Robert de Sorbon!!!!!

I think this board is a great place with real experts in the field of distance education. You will see that only schools like Sorbon, Buxton or Trinity are questioned because there is nothing there to recommend or at least there is no evidence that they are a real effort to provide distance education. The schools in question are always finding loopholes in the system to provide this "open minded" education programs.

It is clear to me that Sorbon is using a loophole by saying they are French when they have some kind of african degree granting status but their primary place of operation is France.

This sounds to me too much to the same Trinity & College University argument that they were not required to be chartered in the UK because they had a spanish license to operate an education business. So you were getting an UK degree that was issued by an spanish institution but the degree would say "a delaware instituion" becuase they were incorporated in the US.

Sorbon is saying that they would grant you a degree that appears to be French but it is really backed up by some kind of African authority but by using a French law. Does this sound convincing? I wonder what would happen if a graduate would explain this to a potential employer, I can guarantee that he will be taken by a clown and loose credibility in his resume.

 

This was well said (plus I got to exercise my high school French). Thanks ham.
Jack

 

A Report on the VAE Process in France!

http://www.nuffic.nl/ice-plar/pdf/FRANKRIJK.pdf

The Software Guy

 

I smell trouser smoke

Nice lies on another website, Ray. You haven't been banned here, but you lie on another site saying that you have. You lie about this fake Anjouanais "university" as though it were a real French university, despite copious demonstration by Ham from French government records that it is nothing of the kind. You lie by posting under two names (at least!) in a feeble attempt to fly under the radar (a common shill practice). You lie about John Bear's opinions. You attack and defame posters here and then whine that your views (do you have any?) on distance education are censored--another lie. You lie that your pursuit of a "degree" from this fake school is some sort of genuine academic pursuit--when you prefaced it here and on AED with what preceded it: a fruitless pursuit of an honorary doctorate on the cheap, in order, supposedly, to wow the Iraqis when you go over there.

If an old Zionist can spare a moment to defend Iraq, I will. They have had, um, real universities in Iraq for a lot longer than France has. Iraqis are an educated and sophisticated people. Iraqis know how to use the internet. If they don't know where the hell Anjouan is, they can look it up. Also, lots of 'em read French (handy thing for any number of reasons I won't go into here). In short, if it won't play in Peoria it won't fly in Fallujah, either.

Ray Hill/SoftwareGuy, try telling the truth. It will be a new life experience for you. And you will deserve credit for it.

 

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I was listing some of your lies, not insulting you.

I will assume you are a person of great intellect and integrity who simply chooses not to tell the truth as a sort of moral experiment, or something.

If I wished to insult you, which I do not, I would comment invidiously upon your parentage, physiognomy, or table manners. But about these I am happy to say I know and wish to know precisely nothing.

I invite you to start telling the truth, Ray.

 

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Dear SoftwareGuy,

The esteemed Dr. John Bear is not an administrator nor a moderator here on DegreeInfo.

Bill

P.S. Attacking Dr. John Bear is a hopeless cause. You might as well try to attack the pope.

P.P.S. You said that you had great respect for John Bear. What happened to change your mind? I guess that when someone speaks a truth that you can't deal with you feel obliged to reduce that person to a sub-human category in your own mind? How does that speak to your own narrow-mindedness?

 

Mr. Huffman, Mr. Huffman!

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Further Mr. Huffman,

Yes I do respect Dr. Bear, but I don't agree with everything he says. I am concerned he would remove someone from access because he doesn't like what they have to say.

What a poor analogy, comparing the Pope to Dr. Bear. One thing I can say is the Pope is objective. I can say I am objective, but I am not going to be a puppet of anyone that holds themselves out to be a so called authority on DegreeIno.

Take Care,

The Software Guy

 

Re: Mr. Huffman, Mr. Huffman!

You are grasping at straws. Dr. John Bear is not a moderator on this board. He does not have permission to edit/delete posts. Your posts that were censored had personal attacks in them. That is against the TOS. That's the only reason they were censored. It had nothing to do with you defending a degree mill or disagreeing with people pointing out that this place is a degree mill.

Why don't you answer my question? You had previously stated (when you requested John Bear's opinion) that you respected Dr. Bear's opinion. You have apparently flip-flopped 180 degrees on that opinion after getting the opinion that you specifically requested. How in your own mind can you justify such self-serving hypocrisy?

While you're at it also answer the following question that you've also ignored, you stated that not everyone at this institution automatically got approved. How do you know that? What lead you to that conclusion?

 

I have today had to delete a number of posts that were personal attacks and off topic to the discussion at hand. I've also had to restrict the posting privileges of the individual making those posts, since he was posting under more than one login.

Further, as has always been the case, we have no problem with dissenting opinions or minority viewpoints, but we do have an issue with personal attacks and inflammatory posts that are unrelated to the topic being discussed.
These issues are clearly prohibited under the terms of service that each member agrees to when they join the site.

I regret that this action is necessary, but I wanted the degreeinfo community to understand the situation.

Also, just to clarify, John Bear is and always has been a contributor to DegreeInfo, in the same way that Janko, DaveHayden, Rich Douglas, and all of our other 4000+ members are. He is not a moderator or administrator, and has no more input into our moderation decisions than any other member.

 

Hi Chip - Thanks for all the good work. Does anyone keep track of all these anonymous logins? Today it's Ray 1212. Yesterday it was Smell1211? I don't know. Isn't it the same one or two people over and over? Isn't there a solution? A hitman? Something? Where's the CIA when you really need it? Oops, I guess they're screwed now too. Can't we appoint galanga as "boss of discovering stuff" or something like that and root out these annoying persons (I almost said bastards )
Still trying to keep it nice (although, the world gets dirty, no?)
Jack

 

i'll say again: ANJOUAN is in some unclear position at an international level.
As people into offshore matters know, they used to be renowned for selling online casinos & other dubious offshore tools.
The problem was/is HOWEVER the unclear situation of Anjouan itself within the islamic commonwealth of the Comoros.
Is than an "independent" state?
Is that just some confederate part of the comoros, like Bayern in Germany?
If so, how can they act like sovereign bodies?
I heard the constitution of the comoros was being revamped: to what extent?
A degree bestowed by virtue of non existent constitutional authority is void by itself.
is Anjouan sort of seceding region, like it seemed to be for a while?
Is it then like southern Cyprus; offshore financial paradise Montenegro under Milosevic ( that tells more about the american invasion than concern over poor muslims being harrassed, which would get him an award these days )?
Well, what do you do with some southern cypriote degree?
Or is it more like East Timor?

 

I saw something on DegreeInformationDL about Sorbon being accredited. Can anyone explain, please?

Thanx
___________________________________________________

Hi all,

This just in from the French Embassy in Washington:

Dear Sir,
In regards to your inquiry, from what we can tell, it is a legitimate
and credited University. They do have contact information on their website
if you wish to call them yourself. Good luck!

Sincerely,
Press and Information Office

----- Original Message -----
From: "French Embassy Press Service" <[email protected]>
To: "Stagdoc1 - Questions" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 11:35 AM
Subject: Fw: Info on French University


>
> Cordialement / Regards
> Service de Presse et d'Information / Press & Information Service
> Ambassade de France / Embassy of France
> Washington, D.C.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 6:28 AM
> Subject: Info on French University
>
>
> > Info on French University :
> > Dear Embassy Representative,
> >
> > I am writing to request information on the French Ecole Supérieure
> > Universitaire Robert de Sorbon. www.sorbonedu.com
> >
> > This distance learning university, located at Le Coudray La Trimouille
> > 86290 France
> > (Tel in France : + 33172770043.) claims proper authority to grant
> > degrees via the French VAE laws.
> >
> > Registered French Institution of Higher Education
> > #0862003720
> >
> > Publication Journal Officiel de la République Française
> > #20040039-1669
> > aurhorized to bestow degrees L731-14
> >
> > Any information you could provide regarding the legal status and/or
proper
> > recognition of this school to grant degrees would be greatly appreciate.
> >
> > A am considering applying, but only if I can verify it is totally
> > legitimate and legal.
> >
> > Thank you for your assistance

 

PhD_Cyberspace, another 'new' person posting on this topic says "...I saw something on DegreeInformationDL about Sorbon being accredited. Can anyone explain, please?..."

I originally enrolled along with someone else to see what this 'institution' was all about. I asked too many questions and got booted out [how amazing?], and I never got any answers, but the other person completed the requirments. Incidentally this process did NOT require them to confirm any statement or period of employment [which is what the whole process really relies on]with any referees - interesting? Pay your cheque, write anything you wish .... maybe? Dr Prade banks/banked the cheque, and then of course is quite prepared to grant a RA= statment

However I was able to confirm that:

1. The degree does NOT issue from France but from Cameroon.
2. That there appears to be 2 institutions being used [Cameroon where the degree issues from and France which does NOT issue your degree] if not to create confusion, smoke and mirrors, and deception, it at least can be taken that way.
3. The instittuion that issues the degree is NOT known to the French authorities
4. My information supports very grave doubts as to the reliability and/or authenticity of the quoted email you have used.
5. It is very questionable whether a doctoral level degree can be issued this way - a senior French educator tells me 'NO' as do the French authorites I have contacted.

People need to really consider whether the VAE program of regarding assessing every 3 years of post degree work experience as equal to 1 years of the next level degree is acadmeically valid and reasonable - at any level. I sure wouldn't like to get a degree this way, or rely on the work of someone who got a degree this way.

Maybe a little better than the IUFS/American Coastline and St Regis/Liberian set ups? Maybe ...

 

Let me explain with a possible example.

----- Original Message -----
From: "French Embassy Press Service" <[email protected]>
To: "Stagdoc1 - Questions" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 11:35 AM
Subject: Fw: Info on French Fries

Yes it is true that France is suing MacDonalds, Burger King, and Jack In the Box because they are selling french fries even when the fries are not cooked by a frenchman.


>
> Cordialement / Regards
> Service de Presse et d'Information / Press & Information Service
> Ambassade de France / Embassy of France
> Washington, D.C.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 6:28 AM
> Subject: Info on French Fries
>
>
> > Info on French Culinary University :
> > Dear Embassy Representative,
> >
> > Is it true that you're suing the USA about the name, French Fries?

 

The same guy is saying in the same board that he was dennied access here because he was posting evidence about this "open minded" degree. The only evidence that he presented was a business license from the french goverment, the same license that is issued to karate, language and kids camping schools.


My advice is to call the French embassy yourself and ask them, I have a University book that is used for admissions by many canadian universities and the University is not there. Alain (an officer of this University) presented this institution as an African University conducting business in France but using the french law to grant degrees. So the whole thing is a bit fishy and it wouldn't fly in any resume if you ask me.

 

On top of this,many contradictions in their web site. They start by saying that they are a non-profit american university:

"Université Nord Américaine sans but lucratif observant les règles d'équivalences universitaires de la Loi du 17 janvier 2002 et des USA (USCIS)"

An american University?

So for the american students, they claim that they are French but for the French they are american.

Now here is when it gets tricky

"Nous suivons la règle générale du USCIS américain dite du 3/1 soit trois ans d'expérience professionnelle à un niveau de responsabilité adéquat sont équivalent à une année complète d'études universitaire. Nos diplômés peuvent recevoir donc une évaluation certifiée requise par l'immigration américaine pour les H1b visas, green cards, etc."

The bottom line is that they are targeting prospect immigrants that need an american degree for H1B visas and they claim that they use the USCIS rule for academic credit.

Who is giving this equivalence in the american side? What is the credential evaluator that will give this equivalence for H1B visas?


Now, this is what really confused me. Their authority to grant degrees come from the state of Maine in the US!!!

"UFRDS a reçu sa charte de l'état du Maine sous le numéro: 20040586ND (sans but lucratif) L'Université francophone Robert de Sorbon est accréditée par l'académie Anjouan Union des Comores, membre de l'agence intergouvernentale de la francophonie. "


In the site, there is no mention that they are a French University. They keep mentioning that they are an American University all the time.

Now, the funny part is that if you read the english version of the site, there is no mention of this american license to grant degrees as they wanted to deceive potential american students.


It is obvious that these guys are up to no good, the INS in the US should be aware that this "open minded" university has the intention of selling their degrees for potential fraud in the american immigration system.