Université Francophone Robert de Sorbon

Hi,

Have you tried to validate the Sorbon degree with a foreign evaluation service? Would they give you an equivalence based on the Robert de Sorbon degree? Is there any school that has taken this degree for further study?

I looked at my University book and Sorbon is not a French University, the book that I have is the one used for the admissions officer at the University where I work. The main issue is that it does not seem to be a French University. I believe Alain said once that they have some kind of African affiliation and they are not a french university but they use the french procedure to validate degrees. To me it seems that it would be almost impossible to convince anyone that you have a degree as they are not in any listing used to validate foreign degrees, their web site is really poor so they wouldn't give the impression of a serious place if one was
to give it as reference. Too many red flags and too good to be true in my opinion. I would save my money, 600 dlls is not a lot but why would you give your money away.

 

My dear Ray:

I am the recipent of your words. Does you know what verb agreement are? Or ain't that part of the curicalum at Sorbon? Random capitalization adds a lot to Your Persuasiveness. You can question me in anyway. Where is anyway? Is there any way to know? Maybe it's (or should I say its?) in the Comoro, Islands. Or is anyway a language, you know, like french or one of them unknown tongues, like. I is sorry I have to taken it personal but know I kin write just as If I have a Sorbon degree Too.

Seriously, sir, you are incapable of writing standard English, yet your mistakes are not those of someone using English as a second or third language. This does not bode well for the racket you are attempting to promote. You brag that you are getting a degree through validation of life experience. I would like my life experience validated, too. One of your "sentences" says "Much like the analogy, 'beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.'" Now that I have experienced this Sentence during my otherwise drab and wretched life, I would like you to validate my experience of it by explaining where the analogy is in your misquotation.

Finally, you refer to "the many other people that post on this website that will apply" to the racket you are promoting. Many?
Please name, oh, four or five.

Thank you.

 

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Further Research for Uncle Janko!

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wasn't this monsieur Prade (once) associated with african-accredited schools now gone burst after the Liberian govt wanted to come clear?
I'm not so sure but i remember once reading his name on some exotic degree mill's homepage as provider of foreign validation procedures to shuttle the degree into the USA.
Of course this is a very, very gray area & M.Prade could as well claim his name had been misused.

 

Ray1212
this website was created by run-aways from the discussion group you mention; and where the remarks about UJ belong.
Hence no suprise there may be hatred going on between a few of the members.
But i say: we're on the WWW.
I use my own logic.
I asked the french ministry & they replied that way about RDS.
PERIOD.
Turning a simple task ( are they accredited by Aunt Jelmina? Go & f@cking ask aunt Jelmina. Aunt Jelmina says she never accredited them? CASE CLOSED ) into a mud slinging contest is useless.
Whether UJ is a man, woman, frocked or defrocked etc etc will not add anything to the simple task, which the argument stems from.

 

Re: Thanks for Your Comments Ham!

Ray1212,

I agree, for people interested in "PURSUING DISTANCE EDUCATION". Most of the discussion is for people that don't want to pursue education but buy a degree and then justify this by saying that they "earned" the degree based on their experience. If the argument of experience was valid, everybody in the whole planet would have a PhD based on their experience. Higher degrees cannot be replaced with simple working experience, they suppose to represent a higher level of understaning and mastering in a specific field. What Sorbone, Trinity and alike institutions are saying is that a car salesman with 10 years of experience should be awarded a PhD in marketing because of this. This type of degrees are nothing but vanity degrees that are only meant to satisfy the ego of the holders, you should not fall for something as vane as this.

 

Thanks RFValve! I don't think simply because a person has been in car sales for ten years that they should be awarded a PhD in Marketing. But I do feel if their background includes a variety of experiences, sales, marketing, accounting, supervision, management, critical writing, etc..., then these experiences should be evaluated as to their equivalency for a degree. I have a significant amount of experience in writing, so shouldn't that be evaluated in terms to my ability to write a critical paper such as a thesis or dissertation. All I am just trying to point out is, give the VAE system a chance. Let's reserve of whether or not Sorbon is a valid institution of higher learning. In my opinion I believe they have merit, and that is why I have applied to them for a degree. Their process is very lengthy, and they just don't had out a diploma because you send them a fee.

Sincerely,

Reverend Robert Ray Hill
Ordained Minister
http://www.CivilAirPatrol.biz/Resume.pdf

 

Mr. Ray Hill, A couple of your more recent posts were nothing more than personal attacks. These were posts where you were hypocritically arguing against personal attacks.

 

You know everyone isn't awarded a degree, how?

 

I note that in another thread

http://forums.degreeinfo.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=153441#post153441

Here was the opinion.

Mr. Ray Hill, it appears that you still are convinced in the validity of your degree mill. Did Dr. Bear's response cause so much cognitive dissonance that you had to reject it? Have you now lumped Dr. Bear in with what you describe as "ignorant people", "members on this website have some serious problems", "are you just a stray without papers? Bark! Bark!?", and "narrow minded bigots"?

 

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Don't look now but this is the internet and WE ARE the society at large.
Jack

 

I am sure that 30 years ago the University of Phoenix, American Intercontinental University and others would have been labeled as diploma mills also.

There may be prejudice against DL degrees and against any form of training as well.

HOWEVER

the "subtle difference" between say Athabasca University (Canada), Open University (UK) and all LEGITIMATE/ACCREDITED DL/PLAR whatever institutions is

THEY HAD BEEN DULY CHARTERED BY THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT OR EQUAL AUTHORITY.

Otherwise they'd just be "best effort basis" kind of outfits run by nice guys from midtown Oklahoma, Senegal or cannibal island.

To rule the above objection over, RDS claimed they too were chartered by the french government ( after some confused pararaphs ).
Too bad it turned out a FLAT OUT LIE.

If a charter is such trivial a matter ( and rigorous PLAR assessment can take place elsewhere/by other means ), why would they FAKE one?

It looks more&more like degree mills practice.

 

I can't speak for Robert de Sorbon University personally. Is it not possible that they have interpreted the document they received from the Le Secretarie General and signed by Stephanie ROBIN-MONTEUIL dated 13 September 2004 as a valid legal document. And since it is under the seal of the Mairie De La Trimouille Vienne, one would have to initially consider the document valid.

http://www.sorbonedu.com/register.jpg

Unless I am misreading what they say on their website under the green box that displays various web links, they say and I quote:

http://www.sorbonedu.com/sorbonengl.html

"Registered French Institution of Higher Education # 0862003720, Publication Journal Officiel de la Republique Francaise # 20040039-1669 authorized to bestow degrees L731-14."

Now I don't speak French, but one would conclude from their statement and the supporting documentation that since they have obtained a local charter, that they are operating legally within the boundries of their authority.

Maybe someone who speaks French could call the local government there, and confirm their charter. Then they could also call the French Education Ministry and inquire as to their authority to operate as an institution of higher learning in France. If so, why did the local government officials issue a document affording them legal status? Maybe the Mairie De La Trimouille Vienne, exceeded their authority in this matter and the matter needs to be readdressed.

If the facts are found out that they are operating illegally or without authority, than I would have to admit defeat. I would like to see it in writing if possible. Leave the translation up to me. Until a member of the French National Government has the chance to review the document and makes such a ruling, then I would have to say that the Robert de Sorbon University is operating within the law, and are authorized to proceed under French VAE Law (# 20273-January 27, 2002) of "la Validation des Acquis par l'Expérience and grant degrees.

This "he said, she said" discourse hasn't proved anything. There are many ways to interpret the law. I am sure we have experienced that many times within United States Legal System. Do I need to give examples of what I am saying?

And another thing, wouldn't you think that the local government that granted the charter would consult with the French National Government before granting authority within their community? And also, isn't it up to the French National Government the authority to police their own, not us here at DegreeInfo.Com????

How can we judge what we consider to be a valid law and what is not. We are 4000 miles away from French soil. Many of us don't speak French and that definately includes me!

Sincerely,

Reverend Robert Hill
Ordained Minister
http://www.CivilAirPatrol.biz/Resume.pdf

 

You're nobody till somebody loves you

Quoted, if not quite fathomed: "I have a significant amount of experience in writing, so shouldn't that be evaluated in terms to my ability to write a critical paper such as a thesis or dissertation. All I am just trying to point out is, give the VAE system a chance. Let's reserve of whether or not Sorbon is a valid institution of higher learning."

Traduction, s'il vous plait. I'm stumped.

As to the earlier violations of the TOS--

This sort of hatred is typical of shills and frauds who come here and get caught. Is Ray a shill or a fraud, or just imitating with exquisite precision the way they "defend" their "degrees"? Beats me.

Methinks he missed RFValve's point, somehow.

The way Ray talks about Alain Michal, you'd think I insulted his girlfriend.

I'm so confused.

I wish Ray had endorsed me the way he did Dr Bear. I can just picture Dr Bear drooling with gratitude that a shill for a Chevalier de Merde (was that it?) gave Bear, poor wretch, a borrowed imprimatur for condemning the very racket the shill is promoting.

See, Dr Bear, now you is somebody.

Philological note: "vae" is the Latin word for "woe".

From my cannibal island (the Ile de France, I s'pose) to yourn,

Janko

 

enough of this or i'll puke...please

Ray1212
You're clearly shilling RDS and you fail to get the following points:


1 I asked the FRENCH EDUCATION MINISTRY myself through their website, and posted the reply RDS is NOT authorized to grant degree + the recommendation we'd better look elsewhere.

2. there is no such thing as "VAE only university". VAE -same as PLAR- is a procedure ANY state university may implement.
Anybody else can send a resume to a po box in Senegal or to a senegalese in Switzerland and get a diploma after he evaluates his resume: fair enough but no more than this & sure having little to do with the french government.


http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/
http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/WAspa...ExperteJorf.jsp

archives of french govt gazette.
No "he said/you said/" sh!t, ok?
Now FIND THIS RDS THERE!


Maybe someone who speaks French could call the local government there, and confirm their charter. Then they could also call the French Education Ministry and inquire as to their authority to operate as an institution of higher learning in France.

i did.
but you don't like what i discovered.

http://www.education.gouv.fr/sup/univ.htm
list of french chartered universities.


http://www.sorbonedu.com/register.jpg

ARE YOU F@CKING BELIEVING WE'RE ALL MORONS???!!!

THAT'S JUST THE "PROOF" THEY REGISTERED AN ASSOCIATION UNDER THAT NAME.
IT MAY BE A BRIDGE CLUB OR SOME ILLEGAL NEGRO CHARITY CLUB OR...

Maire is just "mayor" and the major of New York can charter no university; neither does the mayor of some french village.

 

!!!!Great News Regarding the Robert de Sorbon University!!!!

Great News Regarding the Robert de Sorbon University:

I would seriously encourage anyone interested in learning more about the Robert de Sorbon University to log on to The Degree Board at http://www.degreeboard.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=10&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60.

After considerable discussion, there is positive information to report. There is something to say regarding the Constitution's, Freedom of Speech, which is not expoused on this site. A copy of all the posts have been recorded and transferred to Microsoft Word to document the transactions.

It seems that Ray1212 has been banned from this website because he has voiced his opinion regarding this university. I have heard from a PhD Graduate from the University and he has talked very positive regarding his experiences at Sorbon.

The Software Guy
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PS: Please write me or Ray at our email addresses if you have any questions. We will be happy to respond.

 

Rock Solid Proof!

For Everyone, Please Read This If You Want Proof!

http://www.CivilAirPatrol.biz/SorbonsApprovalToGrantDegrees

The Software Guy