Université Francophone Robert de Sorbon

Apology

My dear Ham (since I am a vegetarian that sounds a bit odd):

Please accept my apologies for criticizing your politics elsewhere. You are a valiant fighter against les moulins (the mills). All else is secondary. All else is dross.

As a token of my sincerity, since English is your second language--and well-handled, too, I might add--let me save you some dictionary time. There is no such word as "expoused" in the English language. The previous poster, whose writing style is eerily similar to the previous Sorbon shill (complete, with, weird commas), has made it up. It is as real as the "school" in question.

In fact, I wonder if the new shill isn't just the old shill with a different ISP. Again, how should I know?

Maybe it's creeping Francophony.* Or cacophony. I really have no idea.

Eating salad among the cannibals, I am,

Yours cordially,

Janko

P.S. Is Francophony one word or two?

 

Uncle Janko,

Please forgive me for the typo. The word is espoused, not expoused. And I am not from France. I am a Good Old American, like yourself. The point is, I don't try and be a perfect as you do. Or are you?

Did you see my most recent post regarding Sorbon? I find it interesting how all of you bash someone without proof. Well here it is!

http://www.civilairpatrol.biz/SorbonsApprovalToGrantDegrees

I hope this sets the record straight. By the way, I am surprised that you people are so dedicated to your point of view that you have people kicked off the website if they disagree with you. Ray told me he read about the same stuff on Google.

So Long!

The Software Guy

 

OK. I give up.

I'm trapped in a commercial break. Either this is an old Doublemint gum spot (two, two, two shills in one) or I've turned into the fellow with the lawn mower in the refinancing commercial (somebody please help meeee).

Gnuts.

[Overheard at the dinner table:
Janko: "Say, how does that taste?"
Cannibal: "Tastes like chicken."
Janko: "Figures."
Cannibal: "Yeah, eventually everybody tastes like chicken. Pass the mamaliga."
Janko: "Sure thing."
Cannibal: "Some salad?"
Janko: "Thanks."
Cannibal: "You're velcome."]

 

Software guy,

This is not proof that Sorbon is legit, it is just a business license.This comes from this website

http://www.journal-officiel.gouv.fr/accueil.php

Any organization in France would need to be registered to conduct business here, they are registered as "Enseignement" meaning just education institution. If you do a search, you will notice that Sorbone has the same license as karate, languages, pet, music academies or any other organization doing business in the area of education.

Anyone can register here so what is your point?

 

There is nothing wrong with VAE, we use a similar procedure to validate experience to grant exemptions to certain courses in the University where I teach. However, this is normally backed up by an exam.

If Sorbon would use an set of proctored examinations to validate this "experience" then I would say that they were up to something legit. However, sending your resume with pay stubs and contracts is not to me a "serious" way to validate experience. I can use my computer to doctor any document they need and get experience in any field. Validating working experience is not as simple as just looking at documentation that can be easily doctored, I have a friend in the Human resources field and he tells me that they pay about 5K USD to do a full validation of experience for candidates that they need for executive positions. This validation normally requires an extensive research, phone calls to the places of works, interviews with the supervisors, degree confirmation, etc. I doubt that Sorbon would do something like this for the 600 bucks you are sending them and besides, this validation would need to be backed up by some set of examinations or at the very least some academic achievements as publications in leading journals.

The business license they have to conduct business is a good as the ones used to teach karate and French cousine so the fact that they are trying to deceive potential students with this is also a red flag.

 

1. You may like to find out which institution issues the degree - to date it is not the one you mention.

2. Graduates at this stage have not been interviewed, nor have their proposers or referees - the paperwork has apparently been 'checked' or read [maybe?] and the $600 definitely banked, and the degree issued from Cameroon.

3. This looks similar to the license IUFS has in Russia, and from my contacts with the french Embassy, about as useful/useless.

4. There is quite definite advice that i ahve receiced from the french that the highest awar through VAE is the Masters, not the Doctorate, and also that it is a VOCATIONAL award, not and ACADEMIC award

5. John Bear's lack of preparedness to recommend it shoudl make you look again at what you are relying on.

 

i've puked now.
at least the shills ( ray replicated into softwareguy as it's clear ) now admit they "somewhat" represent/fly the colours of RDS.
From naive, opinionated passers-by convinced (against official responses from the ministry ) that banding an association equals chartering a university; to salesmen offering to guide you through your next used car's deal.
Which invalidates all the "passer-by" acting put up with this far.

RDS is NOT ( NOT ) chartered by the french to bestow degrees.
CASE CLOSED.

RDS claimed they appeared in the french govt gazette; yet they are nowhere to find there, even as licensed pedicurist.
CASE CLOSED n.2.[B/]

i'd also address another issue...

Then the issue remains whether or not their "evaluation process" might ( very hypothetically & conditionally ) ) represent a worthy way to appraise one's "lifetime experience".

I say: WHO CARES.
That's not the point.
Once we deal with non chartered, non recognized outfits, everything goes.
In the privacy of a basement in Kenya, Uzbekistan, Switzerland or Congo...who knows...the best minds in the field might gather together to "evaluate" my resume...for the meager payback of $600 ( although reportedly done for under $29,95 elsewhere ).
Perhaps that's true; perhaps i'm just told so...
That's not the point as we have no way of knowing.

That's a novelty, then.
Period.
And indeed mr.X may be convinced his novelty diploma is better & on more ground than a brick & mortar's.
But we're going too far that way.

About "the other board", well i have already mentioned it.
It looks strange they are all like awww and owww while Michal showcases his ( her...its... ) pack of lies, like the french gazette entry.
But to each its own.

 

Research Regarding Ecole Supérieure Robert de Sorbon

Hello Everyone:

Now I don't personally care if some of you choose to criticize me or not. It really doesn't matter. The truth regarding this thread is important.

I have been researching the French law as I understand it. The document in question is posted to the following website.

http://www.civilairpatrol.biz/SorbonsApprovalToGrantDegrees

Now I don't speak French, but I do "Google" and I believe I have traced the origin of the document and can explain it. First please let me give you a link to go to that pertains to Journaux Officiels. The document is in French and I have attached immediately below it the translation according to Google.

http://portail.droit.francophonie.org/categories.epl?categorie=16&etat_clef=&tri=&offset=&limite=

http://translate.google.com/translate?sourceid=navclient-menuext&hl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fportail%2Edroit%2Efrancophonie%2Eorg%2Fcategories%2Eepl%3Fcategorie%3D16%26etat%5Fclef%3D%26tri%3D%26offset%3D%26limite%3D

Now if you will direct your reading down to:

Official Journals
http://www.journal-officiel.gouv.fr/

The Official Journals are tools placed at the disposal of the French to give them access to the laws and payments which govern their everyday life. One finds there the legislative and lawful texts published in the Official Journal in version paper.
Language: French
State/zone: France
Category: Legislation - Official Journals

Now by click on the page at http://www.journal-officiel.gouv.fr and it will direct you to a weblink about half way down the page.

Click on the web link:

Les annonces publiées au JO Associations
consulter les annonces

This will open up another web page that will require you to enter some specifics on the Ecole Supérieure Robert de Sorbon:

As follows:

Denominationation de l'association: "Ecole Supérieure Robert de Sorbon"
Type del'announce: scroll down to: "Creation (declaration d'association)"
Region/departement de l"association: "scroll down to: "86 - Vienne"
Lieu de declaration: scroll down to: "Montmorillon"
Activite de l'association: scroll down to: "Enseignement"

After entering the above information, please click on link titled "Chercher" and that will take you to the page that identifies the
document/license/government authorization in question, Specifically Sorbon!

As the link http://www.journal-officiel.gouv.fr/ states, "The Official Journals are tools placed at the disposal of the French to give them access to the laws and payments which govern their everyday life." This is a reference to a French Law, and it refers to the Ecole Supérieure Robert de Sorbon, as I know it to be the Robert de Sorbon University.

After following this lengthy set of instructions, I can only conclude that the Ecole Supérieure Robert de Sorbon is a legal entity set up in accordance with French Law and that license, authorizes them to operate in France.

My conclusion from this discourse is Ecole Supérieure Robert de Sorbon is operating legally in France and is authorized to grant degrees.

Evidently Dr. Prade, Alain Michal and others including myself and Ray1212 are not wrong regarding Sorbon.

Signed:

The Software Guy

 

hahaha...
yes, a few illegal aliens from Senegal banded a private association to teach chess or bridge or karate...good.
That has been discussed already and does not ( and by far so ) mean they represent and run a CHARTERED, STATE university recognized by the french govt.


http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/
http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/WAspa...ExperteJorf.jsp

Help me out.
Above is the gazette archive.
Please...find RDS there.
I tried with sorbon, robert, etc.
They even mention oddities like they appointed an external examiner to some rural school in Guyana, but no mention of this "prestigious" RDS "university"?

 

Borrowed From Another Website and Quoted:

"The “journaux Officels” is like the US Federal Register. It’s a place where official announcements from the government. If you look carefully at Robert de Sorbon in the Journaux, it says “Etablissement d'Enseignment Supérieur” which means Establishment of Higher Institution. This automatically gives Robert de Sorbon degree-granting authority as a private institution but not at national level. Other business are in the Journaux as well, but they are not listed as Etablissement d'Enseignment Supérieur. Naysayers can twist Robert de Sorbon as having a business license, but it’s a license to grant degree."

 

This automatically gives Robert de Sorbon degree-granting authority as a private institution but not at national level.

do you know what?
I am FINE with this updated version of RDS in the capacity of a degree bestower.

1 now we agree RDS is not chartered to grant "nationwide"/national level degrees like state universities do.
I am sorry to inform you -however- that in Italy & France the only "university degree" worth its name is at a national level.
In Canada provinces; in Germany Laender decide ( yet there is no superposed structure at the federal level ).

2 in all fairness i elsewhere immediately mentioned in Italy "registered" schools exist as well ( hence RDS in France ).
These schools come here with REGIONAL accreditation ( sort of say California-only or Maine-only approved ).
HOWEVER
the kind of "expertise" ( you can't even say "degree" as they aren't allowed ) they can attest, impart & evaluate is of lower, limited-in-scope clerical, mechanical & professional nature.
EX haidressing/beautician schools; typewriting schools; office computer training schools; language schools; etc etc.

These diplomas can NOT by law compare to state university diplomas ( ex languages ).
Nationwide provisions exist to rank these certificates & assign them a token value for the purpose of seeking public service employment etc.
The acceptance of such provisions is left to the recipient instance.
I mean it may be said certificate X from regional school Y compares to 50% of university exam Z; yet it is entirely up to the recipient instance whether or not to "buy" it.

Why would somebody like Ray from some remote US state apply to some unheard-of french speaking outfit barely comparable to state-only US schools, is beyond me.

As a plus, when INTERNATIONAL EQUIPOLLENCE is sought after, only nationwide kind of degrees count.
These "locally registered" outfits are ( at least here ) barely comparable ( yet more limited in scope ) to high schools.

 

Please accept my apologies for criticizing your politics elsewhere.

ok

since English is your second language

it may be third if you add french or fourth if you add german or fifth if you add russian i'm learning.



Francophony

yes it's french speaking yet phoney.


FRANCOPHONIE

After the collapse of the "french community" under DEGAULLE ( when France had tried to confederate its former colonies under the guidance of the french president; yet it all got burst starting with the Sekou Thouré/Bourghiba efforts to sabotage the referendum to create the community ), France had lost ALL of its former colonies, from Vietnam to Cambodia to Tunis to Congo.

Suffering from inferiority complex, they tried to reunite leurs brébis égarés by back patting a few african monocratic & dictatorial regimes & by emphasizing the use of the french language.

La francophonie, quelle farce.
This comes from a proud french speaking european professor having served as diplomat for Canada.

It all sums up to pompous festivals where 5000 colorful, exotic attired africans meet 50 french speakers from Canada, Switzerland, Belgium, Italy etc and sob all the time remembering "grandeur" & quoting Proust & Baudelaire dreaming of the "progress" french language makes among Papuan head-hunters.
Il est toujours la bonne occasion de quémander, and usually africans ( even some indochinese ) go back home after cashing some third world aid funds; HIV fighting funds & other "human right minded" allowances later spent on buying weapons to spice the next civil upheval with.
France gets a lighter pocket yet the warm feeling they too have "a world of friends, subjects & allies.

Interesting enough, "francophonie" includes even Romania and i still don't understand why.

 

This text was a response to a question of mine.

Here's the reply that I originally made on Degreeboard.com:
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It kind of looks to me like the publications that new business enterprises officially make here in the States, announcing their business names and providing required information on themselves.

But the implication seems to be that this French thing is something much more profound than that, that it somehow proves RdS's academic legitimacy.

I would like more details on that.

I don't understand that distinction. What do the words "private" and "national" mean in France? I get the distinct impression that these words have different connotations in France than they have here in the United States.

Are the degrees that "private" institutions grant different in some way from degrees granted by "national" institutions? Are "private" institutions regulated in any way by French educational law? Are they subject to any kind of external academic quality assurance process?

I mean, the University of Southern California is a private university. But its degrees have the same status and recognition as degrees from UCLA, a state institution, or the Naval Postgraduate School, a national one. Would that be true in France?

USC undergoes an identical academic quality assurance process, conducted by the same trusted outside parties, that UCLA and the NPS undergo. Do private higher education institutions in France undergo anything remotely similar?

Are you suggesting that all it takes to grant academic degrees in France is a business license listing one's company as a 'higher education institution'?

Or are you suggesting that the use of these words means that some kind of rigorous academic standards have been successfully met?

I suppose that I'm still a 'naysayer' then.

Too much is riding on the mere use of the words "Etablissement d'Enseignment Supérieur" in a context where meaning and significance remain opaque.

Ultimately, I just want some persuasive reason to believe that RdS is an academically credible higher education institution.

 

I don't understand that distinction. What do the words "private" and "national" mean in France? I get the distinct impression that these words have different connotations in France than they have here in the United States.

bingo. That is why they wasted time creating a business: to lure unsuspecting americans in what "may look like" but in the end it isn't

But the implication seems to be that this French thing is something much more profound than that, that it somehow proves RdS's academic legitimacy.

they admitted ( see post above ) RDS is not authorized to grant national degrees.
Hence they are not featured in the french govt gazette, which is NOT some chamber of commerce bulletin announcing the banding of an association or the incorporation of a company.
The gazette is THE LAW.
Laws are applied as published abd once published there; it contains whatever the govt does.

Are "private" institutions regulated in any way by French educational law? Are they subject to any kind of external academic quality assurance process?

Yes and no.
Many branches of foreign institution (moreless accredited back home) may exist.
They are not subject to local scrutiny & deliver degrees on behalf of their foreign "head office".
Hence these degrees are non recognized locally & handled as foreign ones.

Yes because there may be private universities allowed & chartered to bestow degrees in the same capacity of a state university.
State authorities dictate the pace, the charachter & mostly the content & flavor of the courses of study.
Little room is left to private gospel.
You need an head of state/parliament ordinance for that; not some chamber of commece ID.


Do private higher education institutions in France undergo anything remotely similar?

No.
there are no private committees/councils of experts, thus different standards.
There is a state level standard decided by the ministry, which applies to everybody with minor variations ( ex schools in minority areas like Bozen in Italy where they are allowed to teach in german ) to be approved by the ministry & backed up by parliament/head of state ordinance.
Major changes in the national standard must undergo a process similar to tax laws.

 

We want no condescending saviors...la dracu!

They include Romania in their Francophony??? Oh gee thank you thank you multumesc foarte mult o great French cultural imperialists. What an honour you bestow on us! Now go away and bother some cannibals. You can find them on the Quai d'Orsay.
Splutter. Gasp. Billy Crystal was right in the Moscow Concert: "Our real enemy isn't you. It's the French."

OK. Now back to topic.

 

!!!!Ecole Supérieure Robert de Sorbon - A Voice For Change!!!!

Greetings and Good Bye,

This is my last post here on DegreeInfo. All of you are amazing. Instead of keeping an open mind, and at least hearing what some has to say, you criticize and condemn that individual until they see it your way.

The important thing is that society view of defining education is going to change whether you like it or not! We will be long dead and gone, and progressive changes will still be made to our educational system. The people on this board have way too much time on their hands. Most of you need to get a life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ecole Supérieure Robert de Sorbon and other schools like it are here to stay, so face up to it! If you don't agree, stay in your own narrow minded world.

Viva La Ecole Supérieure Robert de Sorbon (Robert de Sorbon University)

The Software Guy,
Alias: Ray1212
A Vote for a Change is a Vote for Ecole Supérieure Robert de Sorbon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Re: !!!!Ecole Supérieure Robert de Sorbon - A Voice For Change!!!!

Of course. So, disagreeing and refuting disingenuous posts regarding a degree mill, posts by someone using multiple guises to support one cause, is not "keeping an open mind"? Funny how the most close-minded among us (shills) so often take that tack.

That diploma mills are here to stay is as good a reason as any to keep doing this. So, thanks.

Finally, the "get a life" comment is a crack up. No one posts mre than I do, and few post as frequently. But I spend less than 15 minutes a day on this, and it is central to my studies over the past 25 years! The fact is, degree mill shills hate the persistence that some DI members show regarding mill falsehoods being tossed about. One shill who very often told people they spent too much time doing this went out and started his own board! Perhaps you can sell you swill there.

For now, thank you for leaving. It makes sense, since your one-subject rap has been deconstructed. What else is there for you to say?

 

!!!!!A Vote for a Change is a Vote for Ecole Supérieure Robert de Sorbon!!!!!

(deleted due to TOS violation)

 

Dear SoftwareGuy,

You point to a web page that has nothing to do with the French government. How is that supposed to prove anything? It has been reported here by ham that the French authorities replied in the negative regarding this degree mill.

I didn't see Mr. Ray Hill's last insulting post but since it was deleted, I can only assume that it was much worse than his previous insulting posts. If he's no longer able to post here it is because he violated the TOS when he personally attacked people for pointing out the truth about this degree mill. It had little to do with the fact that he was defending said degree mill only in the fact that he found it necessary to insult people that were speaking the truth.

 

Re: !!!!!A Vote for a Change is a Vote for Ecole Supérieure Robert de Sorbon!!!!!

You are self serving by defending this degree mill. After all you freely admit that you purchased a diploma there. How am I being self serving by telling the truth about this place?