Université Francophone Robert de Sorbon

Forgive me please. I read somewhere that Dr. Prade has evaluated their credentials for equivalency to a US degree. Is this true? And if it is, I understand he has been in this business for over ten years.

http://www.auap.com/eval.html

How does one get away with presenting those degrees to the Immigration people if the are not any good. You know what I mean?

I want my degree from a good university, one that is recognized, OK.

 

Quite possible, why don't you send them an email? The question here is if auap evaluation can be used for immigration applications. You will need to address this with the INS.

My guess is that as soon as the INS realizes the scam, they will put an end to RDS. I will be surprised if they can remain in business for more than few years.

 

That's not very surprising.

Read the very first post that started this thread. You will see that as of April 13 of this year, the Robert de Sorbon website was registered to Dr. Prade.

Subequent posts on page 2 show that in June of this year, RdS's American 'admissions office' was in fact Dr. Prade's mailing address in Sarasota, Florida.

Dr. Prade is actually a very interesting guy. Besides running his credential evaluation service and perhaps Robert de Sorbon as well, he also breeds race horses on three continents (coincindently not far from where RdS claims its affilations), is a competitive skier both in the US and Europe, is an importer of East European anti-aging elixers and teaches a course on European conservatism at Yorktown University, one of the current DETC applicants. The guy appears to be very wealthy and has his hand in all kinds of enterprises.

 

Here's the anti-aging elixir: http://www.zalmo.com/cresta.html

I gotta get me some...

 

i made a few more calls & wrote a few more letters: let's see what comes out.
I have a suggestion for Ray/Gmail/Michal etc.
Since Kameroon once was a GERMAN colony ( stripped away after 1918 ), why don't you find a creative way to claim RDS is a GERMAN institution?
I liked the forget email & i notified the embassy about it: let's see.
Jede Tierchen, seine Plaisirchen

 

Doesn't Universite Francophone Robert de Sorbon claim what is apparently a business license in the state of Maine and "accreditation" from the island of Anjouan in the Comoro Islands in the Indian Ocean? The Comoros are between Madagascar and Mozambique. Cameroun is in West Africa next to Nigeria, thousands of miles away.

This Maine/Comorean RdS probably should be distinguished from Ecole Superieure Robert de Sorbon which claims to be a French ecole with full government recognition.

There's a valuable discussion taking place at http://www.degreeboard.com The moderator 'J' there has an interesting theory.

He believes that French law basically allows anyone to start an ecole with just a business licence, but then regulates any degree programs they create extremely tightly, down to mandating curricula. If a French higher education institution deviates from state standards, its operators can be criminally prosecuted for 'irregular teaching'. That's opposed to the Anglophone practice of making it difficult to initially start a school, but then letting any legally established school have considerable freedom to create and manage its own programs.

The really interesting part is that 'J' believes that French law allows French higher education institutions to automatically grant 'reciprocal' degrees to holders of accredited degrees from other Francophone countries. It's sort of a credential evaluation deal, except that holders of foreign degrees are actually granted second French degrees for use in France. These reciprocal degrees aren't subject to the minute requirements of French educational law since the work that they are based on already met the standards of the originating country. (Two degrees are being granted for the same work, another deviation from Anglophone practice.)

So... create a university with "accreditation" from an Indian Ocean island that happens to be a signatory of this Francophone treaty. That's Universite Francophone Robert de Sorbon. This version performs the "VAE", for whatever that's worth.

Then create a French ecole by getting a business license in France. That's the Ecole Superieure Robert de Sorbon. But permit the new ecole to completely dodge the mass of French academic regulations by assigning French ESRDS to granting French reciprocal degrees for degrees issued by Comorean-accredited UFRDS.

That way you launder suspect third-world degrees into first-world degrees from a major country with a respected educational system. And you do it without ever having to meet the standards of the first-world country. Pretty neat.

Then have Dr. Prade annoit the whole thing as RA-equivalent, because it comes from a legally established French ecole in accordance with who knows how many sections of the Code de France. (Alain Michal cited them for us in early posts in this thread.)

I don't know enough about French education law to say whether that theory is credible or outlandish. But it's certainly provocative.

If there's any truth to this, it's a quantum leap beyond anything SRU attempted.

 

Prade also operated the bank account for the university - so how is that for an objective assessment of the school ))))

Don't argue about the account details - I paid him and got my receiptr from him and then after he abused me as did Alain for aksing questions less invasive that what we are discussing here, Prade then repaid me my $600.

 

So, to make it simple, is this university both legal and accredited or either one only or even both illegal and unaccredited in French gov't? It is very interesting!

 

'J' believes that French law allows French higher education institutions to automatically grant 'reciprocal' degrees to holders of accredited degrees from other Francophone countries.



The "french speaking countries association" is a farce, a joke.
It has no binding power whatsoever & all is limited to what i have described above.
After all, language has little to do compared to the political agenda.
That's where France tries to orchestrate its biodome (zoo) of allies into a political weapon of international reach.
They failed recently miserably, when at first a few colorful allied countries joined the anti-doublejew front ( i do NOT support his foreign policy at all ); then George sent HIS $ the way of the always needy/earthquaked/black plagued etc good folks, who instantly turned pro-USA.
Otherwise Ireland should instantly recognize degrees from Nigeria or Zimbabwe only because the "official language" is english.
What about truly borderline cases like the "former portuguese colony now member of the british commonwealth"?
Can i trade my degree up in Portugal as well?

 

So, to make it simple, is this university both legal and accredited or either one only or even both illegal and unaccredited in French gov't? It is very interesting!

i think the answer is clear.
however

ANJOUAN IS JUST A CONFEDERATE STATE OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF THE COMOROS AND AS SUCH DOES NOT REPRESENT THE COMOROS. HOWEVER BLURRED THE SITUATION MIGHT BE.

For a quick idea think Timor, Cyprus etc.

 

Ham,

Can you please kindly answer one question? Doesn't Sorbon also issues degrees from France. I jear they have two campus locations. Thanx for your answer in advance.

Respectfully,

PhD_Cyberspace

 

Hello PhD Cyberspace:
Could you post pictures of these two campuses, or tell us their physical addresses?
Please refer to Bill Dayson's post for a plausible analysis of this dubious institution's claims to some sort of French status.
See also Ham's previous posts about French government documentation.

 

Hi Ham:

I don't mind in the least that we disagree about politics.

However, I would request that you find a different term of ridicule for President Bush and his allies than "doublejew front", etc. (Go ahead and ridicule him, though, to your heart's content--preferably on the politics forum.) Your use of this epithet makes you *sound* anti-Semitic and does not help the credibility of our dismantling of this silly Sorbon business--and I do mean business, a dismantling to which your posts and research are contributing in a very distinguished manner.

Now, let us continue (to) écrasez l’infame.

Cordially,
Janko

 

CLOWN! THE US FRENCH EMBASSY DOESN'T THINK RDS DEGREES ARE STATE DEGREES AT ALL [B/]


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Cher M. ^^^e,

Voici la réponse que j'ai eu de la part du service d'éducation à
l'Ambassade:

Cette école est légale, c'est une association loi 1901 mais elle ne peut pas
délivrer de diplômes reconnus par le ministère de l'Education Nationale.

Cordialement,

Service de Presse

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> http://www.sorbonedu.com ( diplome faintaisiste ou universite francaise
> reconnue)? :
> bonjour.
> http://www.sorbonedu.com
> sur un site web
>
http://forums.degreeinfo.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13336&perpage=30&pagenumber=6
> ils citent VOTRE opinion officielle a ce sujet.
> http://www.sorbonedu.com
> serait ( selon vous et d'apres ce qu'on lit sur ce site ) une université
> authorisee par le gouvernment de France pour decerner des diplomes tels
> que ceux decernes par les universites d'Etat.
> Est-ce vrai?
> Est http://www.sorbonedu.com une université francaise?
> http://www.sorbonedu.com
> mentionnent ils ont apparu sur la gazette du gouvernment francais.
> Veuillez SVP confirmer soit dementir.
> Moi je n'ai pas pu en trouver mention dans les archives
>
>
> http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/
> http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/WAspa...ExperteJorf.jsp
>
> J'ai aussi contacte le ministere de l'education et ils m'ont redirige vers
> le cio mediacom.
> Le cio mediacom confirme
> http://www.sorbonedu.com
> **********
> L'université francophone robert de Sorbon est un établissement privé.Les
> diplômes de cet établissement ne sont pas des diplômes nationaux.Nous
> recommandons aux personnes intéressées par le démarche VAE et les diplômes
> français de s'adresser directement aux établissements publics français ou
> écoles privés décernant un diplôme reconnu par état.
> Saliha Abdellatif
> **********
>
> Sur le site que j'ai mentionne, quelqu'un soutiens que VOUS affirmez le
> contraire.
> Je vous en saurais gre de bien vouloir m'informer au sujet.
> Mes sentiments distinguees.

> S-i emailed them, heres the reply.

 

Could you post pictures of these two campuses, or tell us their physical addresses?

too easy to cut & paste some building picture on here claiming it's RDS.
They might be photoshop artists already for the layout of their parchments.

Your use of this epithet makes you *sound* anti-Semitic and does not help the credibility

I'm not seeking credibility.
One may doubt my sources of course.
My only point is: GET IN TOUCH WITH THE FRENCH AUTHORITIES & GET THE SAME ANSWER YOURSELF.

I just mentioned that fact to show what francophonie amounts to, concretely.

Can you please kindly answer one question? Doesn't Sorbon also issues degrees from France. I jear they have two campus locations. Thanx for your answer in advance.

i'm the utmost wrong person you might ask.
I have nothing against RDS, yet i dislike LIES & BLATANT FORGERY.
Ok, RDS is some outfit authorized to delve into educational purposes as a karate, pedicurist or chess school might do: FINE, AGREED.
No state degrees=no equipollence=no debate= no issue to fight over.

There are people who think criticizing Israel means wanting every jew dead and Israel itself gummed from the map. There are people who believe it's by god's word that those who expose the shortcuts & shortcomings of the US foreign policy ( AS IF POLITICS WERE THE BYPRODUCT OF A METEOR AND NOT OF RATIONAL CHOICES ) are wishing all americans to die nuked. There are people who cry wolf and call for reparation every time some term describing race, religion etc comes in a not eye-wet & condescending manner. I guess i'll leave with that. Les ideologies du ressentiment me font carrement chier.

 

Real Estate tip

I would recommend they time-share with Robertstown's Blenheim Castle since it looks pretty big for a virtual campus building.

G

 

a shilly quote, or, a Ray of light from aed

Peering through the grating into the bughouse, I saw from the Sore Buns shill:

"Maybe they get a kick back from
the more traditional programs I don't know"

I don't think he likes us.

 

a shilly quote, or, a Ray of light from aed

Peering through the grating into the bughouse, I saw from the latest Sore Buns shill:

"Maybe they get a kick back from
the more traditional programs I don't know"

I don't think he likes us.

 

I gotta knock off the late night moonshine....I could swear I see two Uncle Jankos!!

 

Me too. It really wasn't worth saying twice.