Université Francophone Robert de Sorbon

I believe that attempts to exploit this new loophole are currently limited to an affiliated group of entities. The fact that the AUAP (American Universities Admission Program) is presently the credential evaluator of choice for Breyer State University leads me to believe that, rather than this being an attempt to steal a competitor’s thunder, it is the result of a coordinated marketing plan.

Moreover, at the risk of further bringing this thread back on topic, according to state officials in Maine, from the moment L’Université Francophone Robert de Sorbon was chartered as a corporation in that state, it was operating illegally. Furthermore, it seems that the proper actions to rectify this are already in motion, as state officials have referred the matter to the AG.

 

The institution is now offering courses:

http://www.sorbonedu.com/sorbonenglcourse.html

“ French Speaking Institution (non-profit corporation) providing correspondence/on line courses as per Rule #05-071, CMR 150 2A of the State of Maine”

 

Not much of a presence in Maine. A registered agent:

Corporate Creations Network, Inc.
104 Old Stage Road
Readfield, ME 04355

 

French term for "diploma mills"

I really like the way that French term for diploma mill reads...

diplômes fantaisiste

Tres bien!

- Carl

 

for those who may not know, Anjouan had been -in the past- associated with "granting" (selling?) "casinos" licenses & other "offshore financial" tools.
All that blurred by the de facto unclear & quite shady situation of the country ( commonwealth of Comoros ) itself.

wasn't then this monsieur Prade associated by some Nigeria-accredited institutions ( i think i read somewhere his "prestigious degree evaluation bureau" would take care of the equivalency between US & nigerian accredited diplomas.

 

Dear Ham,

Oops I think that your information about the accreditation is old and now without object , as Robert de Sorbon is fully registered with the Goverment in France.

Prade does not seem to own it according to the French public statutes of incorporation.

I called AUAP with a supposed Breyer state Diplôma (which is very large) and they told me that they do not accept St Regis, Breyer, and the other Diploma Mills. They do very few evaluations from Liberia according to them but mostly Chinese, Russian and Indian evaluations. But they could lie.

There is a discussion on the VAE, Sorbon was among the first to advertise it. Many people (even in in this Forum) said this Law was bogus. I see that now many French public universities are offering it.

I have a important question?

Should US universities recognize degrees obtained through VAE procedure from public or private recognized French universities (lets put Sorbon aside for a moment, to adress the whole picture).

What is your opinion?

Regards

 

Re: Re: Au Revoir Les Amis de U. Robert de Sorbon

Because it's boring. Almost as much as you are insulting.

 

If a country's educational system can be considered comparable in quality to ours, then degrees issued by schools it recognizes should be accepted as equivalent to ours. That's my opinion.

Many agencies and schools are not willing to make such a blanket decision, preferring instead to evaluate each school individually. I think a school that awards graduate degrees (including the doctorate) for experiential evaluation is an academic fraud.

Hope this helps.

 

Are you saying that RDS university has severed its ties with the Comoros AND at the same time they've been chartered by the french parliament?
I may call the french embassy to find out.

about " registration "...
it does mean a thing or it doesn't mean any meaningful thing.
why?
In France or in Italy you have two jacobin left-over states.
Moulded by Napoleon's idea: school=barracks=prison.
In Italy we have only 3 independent, private universities ( Bocconi, Cattolica, LUISS, IULM being a Bocconi's former brainchild ).
Then we have dozens of other instiutions, but the degree awarded is not by local law, but usually by a foreign university ( ex there's one that awards degrees through an UK polytechnic; etc ).
Once you've that degree, you must "convert" it.

You do not "register".
Universities are created/acknowledged by PARLIAMENT/HEAD OF STATE ORDINANCE after ministerial intervention.

You DO have "registered" institutions.
Ex ones offering language courses; accounting courses & a host of other qualifications.
By law here they are subject to law.
That is, by applying to a job, you must dig the provision out, pertaining to your class of degrees.
Usually the "registration" specifies to which extent these qualification will be valuable under the law.
But a language certificate from a "registered" institution cannot be traded nor applied towards an university one.

 

Bona sera Dottore

Thanks for your reply

You are certainly right "caro Dott Prosciutto" (Do not take offense of this joke, I love the Italian language as I studied in Sienna), on Italy.

For France you are [/b]unfortunately not correct[/b].

Since the 2000 reform (a real revolution française) everything had changed dratically (Bongiorno Chirac).

Let me cite you in French (you will have no problem understanding it) the article of the code de l'Education of the French Republic.

Article L151-6

L'enseignement supérieur est libre.


Not to mention [/b]Title III Articles L731-1 à L731-17) which recognise and organises the Private French Institution of Higher Education [/b]

You were right French were very Napoleonic & jacobinistic, now they are very liberal influenced by the American System not like Italy.

Con distinti Saluti eggregio signore ,

 

Interestingly, the Latin motto the institution has chosen is very similar to a number of other schools, in particular a couple of Ivy league members.

Not that that proves anything....

In case there are still doubters as to Sorbon's validity, all is explained here:

http://www.sorbonedu.com/mill.html

hmmm......I guess the similarity namewise to a famous, bricks-and-mortar institution is just another unfathomable coincidence after all.





And what the heck are those weird yellow things in the top field of the crest? Damn if they don't look exactly like microchips....

 

So many "Sorbonnes" !

[/b]They can have bad intentions in the choice of name but in France there are at least 3 Sorbonne that I Know.

Paris I "Panthéon Sorbonne"
www.univ-paris1.fr
Paris III Sorbonne Nouvelle
www.univ-paris3.fr
Paris IV Sorbonne
www.univ-paris3.fr


They are all public, if the bad exemple starts from the top we are in bad shape....

I think that it is wrong to assume bad intentions, when the Government itself multiplies the Sorbonne universities

They could have taken "Sorbonne en Province" for example, but they put the Robert de Sorbon, which is different.

But I could be wrong..

 

you evaded my question:
has the intended SEVERED its ties with the Comoros & is it now operating in France as a french establishment?
Even HERE they entered the "credit system ", but nothing changed as far as how regulated universities are.
There are lots of slogans: teaching should be free and commerce should be free as well; this doesn't mean free from state intervention & regulation.
I see you evaded my remark about Anjouan as well.
That you can't say it's constructed: just look at any offshore news digest to see how they position themselves.
I will call the local french embassy as soon as i have time.

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hmmm......I guess the similarity namewise to a famous, bricks-and-mortar institution is just another unfathomable coincidence after all.
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sure.
plagiarism & identity theft are as well.
Come on, they could have named it " free comoros western university " or "ham the great college of divinity " but how many would even have bothered to look further?

about twisting legal words:
did you know in the UK a law/custom exists, stating individuals may elect to be called/named a certain way?
Boom.
Degree mills sell you "nobility titles 110% UK law compliant": you just elect to be called " Ham IV, Marquis of coupe-gorge ".
Sounds like the same blahblah as this VAE talks.

 

Uh....yes. That was my point. Or did you think I *really* believed the name was a coincidence?

 

menteur

http://www.ambafrance-it.org/_fr/_culturel/default.asp

i just was on the phone with the people above ( french embassy in Rome ) and i asked about this item.
Here is what i learnt, but i'm NOT surprised at all:
- VAE law EXISTS.
HOWEVER
it is a very unpredictable & time consuming procedure.
The counselor told me they had patronized many people over the time to apply for it with no success through the lenghty & manipulative procedure.

- VAE procedure can be carried only:
a) by a Paris commission
b) by a special commission residing AT STATE UNIVERSITIES ( according to the kind of degree to be bestowed upon )

Hence this university does not qualify.
The counselor remarked you mention on your site "universitè nord-américaine " and remarked THERE IS NO PER SE EQUIPOLLENCE BETWEEN US & FRENCH DEGREES ( either it is a french degree, which is not because it's not a STATE university; or it is "north american", in which case no mention of France should be made ).

The counselor's private opinion is that we're dealing with some unofficial business on the shady side & that they assume NO LIABILITY FOR PEOPLE SO STUPID ( YES. S T U P I D ) TO GO FOR IT.

I stand by my assumption your mention of french laws ( however pertinent ) equals the mention of the UK education act or the Uk name law i cited above.

You say as well your threading method follows US USCIS methods.
Again, french authorities wipe their bottom with any foreign document; NOT TO MENTION DUBIOUS OR SELF-IMPLEMENTED variations on privately issued evaluation methods.
Hint: i may set " docteur Ham conseiller en VAE " business & claim cannibal island's principality accepts my credentials...yea right.

So is this business...french...comorian...swiss..."north american"...?

 

http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/WAspad/RechercheExperteJorf.jsp

here you get ALL ( i mean ALL ) official documents issued from the french government.


RDS outfit claims elsewhere " Legality: The said school is a French registered Institution of Higher education (L731-1) authorized to bestow diplomas (L731-14). Listed in the Journal Officiel de la République Française 20040039-1669.
"

now...

at http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/

i could find NO MENTION WHATSOEVER of this institution.
I tried searching for "école" and i got many leads, none dealing with this outfit.
I tried " école + robert "; "sorbon" etc: NO ANSWER.
Now i'd be glad if they pointed me to the right direction.

They affirm as well " Recognition: The school decides to do “only” VAE. This VAE is established through the Law of 17 Janvier 2002 et its "décret d’application" du 24 avril 2002 and is part of the code de l'Education de la République Française L 355-1
"

there is NO "only VAE " way.
VAE is like any credit transfer procedure.
That has to be carried out at state approved universities:
http://www.education.gouv.fr/sup/univ.htm
by an appropriate commission ( or in Paris ).
Again: can you please show me where on that site is RDS mentioned?

 

After a lot of searching, I finally found a "Robert de Sorbon" school listed (and apparently accredited) with the French authorities. Doesn't look like the institution in question though...

http://www.ac-reims.fr/presac/struc...8retsorbon.html

 

When this 'school' first came up I did a bit of research.

Since I can not speak the French language, I went with translated emails.

The information I received from a few French offices never could outright say RDS was illegal, but...

They did say the jury meeting needed to be in person. French law actually gives leave time from work for this...

Heres one of the responces:

The qualifications mentionned by the Robert de Sorbonn university are the french national diplomas of the ministery of éducation. These diplômas are registred in the RNCP. But in France, only the universities agreed by the ministey of éducation can deliver national diplomas. I think that Robert de Sorbonn university is not agreed by the ministery, and sales "paper" without any légal value. Another organism "Université multiculturelle internationale" sales diplômas by VAE, via internet from the Dominique island ! They uses the légal texts and the people's crédibility for their buiseness
VAE is a légal way to obtain qualifications but it is not possible to get them only by internet or "à distance". Meetings with jury are required for higher éducation diplomas, and frequently used for the others.
I'll inform the french ministery of éducation about this Robert Sorbon university.


then followed by:

Hello,
I have sent our messages to the ministry of éducation (CNCP's member for this ministry) and a copy for you.
I can give you a précision : In France, only universities can grant national diplômas of higher éducation. The universities are public administrations dépending on ministry of éducation. A private organisation (firm, association,..) cannot do that.
Privates organisations can grant certificates or other diplomas, but not the national ones.
So ask the Robert Sorbon university about his statut and nationality (francophone is not french !).

 

Regarding Robert de Sorbon University

Greetings to Everyone:

I am constantly amazed reading the posts on DegreeInfo regarding universities where accreditation is an issue. Also I find it very interesting that people criticize Robert de Sorbon University for it's process of evaluating academic knowledge through VAE. What is the purpose of a university anyway? Isn't it a place to gain new knowledge and skills in which to enter the job market or gain a promotion. And for those people who have amassed a considerable amount of learning on the job already, there should be a legal way to validate that toward pursuing a degree. I am impressed that the French Government has thought of the idea and is an innovator in documenting experiential learning.

I have just been accepted Candidacy towards a DEA (Masters) of Public Administration by the Robert de Sorbon University and I am extremely pleased. After a $600.00 fee is paid, a Jury will be convened to further evaluate my experience for awarding the degree. I have over 25 years progressive professional experience in government and private sector employment and have held many positions where the level of responsibility was significant.

The Robert de Sorbon University is not a diploma mill. And from what I have seen of the other suspected institutions issuing diplomas, there is a real process of evaluating knowledge. Most of these schools charge thousands of dollars and issue you a worthless piece of paper. The cost of the evaluation at Sorbon is insignificant and worth the price they are charging.

I am particularly disappointed and frankly upset with the total lack of respect given to Alain Michal of Sorbon. If people can't be more professional than that, they really have no business giving their opinions. I pray other people will consider Robert de Sorbon University and ignore the narrow minded opinions of the few.

Now I may not be a Senior Member, but I have written many people about this school, read all the information both pro and con, and I am satisfied with their institution. I am going to make a copy of my post just in case someone on this board decides to censure me for my comments and remove it, which in my opinion would be a gross mistake.

Sincerely and Respectfully Submitted this Thursday, the 11th Day of November, 2004.

Reverend Robert Ray Hill
Ordained Minister
http://www.CivilAirPatrol.biz/Resume.pdf

 

So,

Will you be going to France for your Jury? Based on what I have read you have to be present.

I am not doubting the VAE process I am doubting the school. Have you found an evalaution company out side of Dr. Prade's that will evalaute the degree to be equivelant in the states? Or is that even a concern for you?