Université Francophone Robert de Sorbon

Yes, that's probably the most pressing problem right now.

Where is your institution physically located? In France? In Switzerland? Somewhere in the United States? In the Comoro Islands?

Where does it obtain its legal power to grant degrees? From the French government? From a Swiss canton? From an Indian Ocean island? Self-bestowed?

Who performs external quality assurance over your insitution? In particular, I want to know if your insitution is subject to the French National Evaluation Committee as established by the 1984 Higher Education Act, or whether it is subject to any similar French government academic oversight.

If it is subject to French government academic oversight, then please elaborate on it. If not, then who performs the accreditation function for your insitution? Finally, where may this information be verified?

 

Here are the actual French Law !!!

The problem with this forum is that a participant cites a Law, that have been abrogated for 4 years !!!

and he probaly still appears to many as very well informed ...Dear Bill Dayson do not take it badly please...I am ignorant of so many American Laws.

FYI The "Loi sur l'Education supérieure of 1984" was repealed in 2000, because of the European integration.

Here is the citation from the French JO (Journal Officiel)
"Abrogé par Ordonnance 2000-549 2000-06-15 art. 7 JORF 22 juin 2000."

As said in our pages we are under the control of the French Authorities according to the artricle of this ordonance and the Articles L731-1 to L731-17 of the code de l'Education.

The strict control of the French Government is described in article L731-13

I however like this sort of questions as they should be at the center of the discussions with real facts.

University Francophone Robert de Sorbon is accredited by the Union des Comores Anjouan and as this Government is member of the Agence de la francophonie and has an educational treaty with France (included in our page) it is therefore equivalent to French degree. We were never in Switzerland by the way, and we used a company in Arizona to register our web page.


If you still consider that Africans are animals incapable to accredit any university..., I want to inform you that we get the French approval for the Ecole Supérieure Universitaire Robert de Sorbon as Private even non profit Institution of Higher education can not be called université in France (HEC is private, the best Business School and is une école).It is authorized under Article L731-1 to 731 It is located in france as said on our page.

Afterthat I can be a Professor of French and francophone Educational Law in France no?

I hope that the above will finally convinced all the doubters.

You will be surprised how many participant of degree info applied to our université



Abrogé par Ordonnance 2000-549 2000-06-15 art. 7 JORF 22 juin 2000.

 

Shame on you! Who EVER on this forum expressed that view of Africans?

 

I don't think skepticism of unknown African schools is a function of racism. It is simply brought on by seeing too many schools with a history of selling degrees get government? recognition in an African country.

South African educational institutions are very well respected here.

 

to whom was that addressed?

I remember reading an article in the NY Times about the faculty and staff of a technical school (a pre-university school) in Liberia patrolling the grounds of the place to keep looters from destroying what was left of the school. That is the sort of heroism in the face of adversity that makes my heart sing.

It seems that the root cause of problems of accreditation attached to some enterprises claiming to be Liberian is primarily the conduct of a number of Americans living in comfort and safety in the United States.

G

 

Vive l'Afrique

I was, like the two previous contributors offended by some derogative racist previous comments about the African accreditation of the Université Francophone Robert de Sorbon My comments were bitter and reflected my disgust.

The University Francophone Robert de Sorbon is proud to be accredited by African nations. And trust me most of our Africans students will not cite a 4 year an abrogated Law as some did in this forum..!

THEREFORE THE SHAME SHOULD BE ON THOSE WHO DO NOT RECOGNIZE THE REALITY THE DEPTH OF THE AFRICAN WORLD. NOT ON THE ONES WHO PROMOTE EDUCATION IN AFRICA LIKE OUR UNIVERSITE FRANCOPHONE ROBERT DE SORBON

Look at our pages www.sornonedu.com/sorbonengl.html and see how proeminently we are proud of our african involvement

I hope that my comment is now clear..

Vive l'Afrique by god sake!
Alain Michal !! We all agree on that no ?

By the way I am from Sénégal (M'bour) Unkle Jacko...

 

Dear Unkle Jacko, Bonjour, Buna Ziua.

I do not know why you systematically try to tarnish our Universite francophone Robert de Sorbon in this forum. You have the right to do it, but it is our right to correct you on your numerous (and perhaps malicious) mistakes.

By the way one of my students told me that you are in reality employed by a "Diploma Mill "Are you or Not?

You wrote :
"why establish a Francophone "university" in a non-Francophone canton? Graubuenden is a mix of German- and Romansch-speaking."

We were never established in Graubunden you invented that.

You wrote:"It's implausible for a Francophone university to be established in Graubuenden--if it has any real existence."

It is not our case we are not in Graubunden. But FYI there is in Zuoz a very well nown English Speaking Prep school. Have you never heard of the American University in Paris, The Lycée français in Miami, The Université d'Alexandrie? Are they bogus/mplausible ?

You wrote: "maybe just one of the Comoro Islands with no real authority under the law of the Comoro Islands themselves?"
Once again, infortunately you demonstrate a total lack of knowledge. The Constitution of Union des Comores adopted under the supervision of the Unité Africaine and the United Nation specifically give to the island authority on education.

Now you are offended about me crying racism but you did not correct the phrase of your friend "our frog was questionated about the music of the birds songs, and our friend could not say nothing less than CROAK, CROAK." Frog is slang for French and Crow is an african no?

You wrote: "If (I like that) my view is correct, then these are sneaky stealthy people. I do not want you to be fooled or exploited by them "

On the view of the above who is Sneaky (if) and Stealthy???

You wrote:"Have the Swiss now gone in for imperialism in the Indian Ocean? This would give the Swiss Navy something to do, I suppose.
but out of subjet, a great F

You wrote :" My suspicion (I like that also) is that this "university" is a trick to get people past US immigration authorities."
My conviction, based on facts, is that you systematically trash nice people whith no base.You have "suspicions, visions, impressions" and many "if" but zero facts .

You wrote: "If (again) the school is legitimate, why did they choose a name that seems designed to create confusion with the real Sorbonne in Paris?"
I LOVE THAT ONE !!! Oh mon Dieu ! You do not know that there are 3 universities in Paris alone that have the name Sorbonne: Paris I, Pasrtis III and Paris IV. According to your bright reasoning ,they are all illegitimate!!

I you are legitimate why are you using so many wrong arguments.

Finally thank you to be so "mean" l as it is so easy to unscript you. Stop trashing, passez votre chemin monsieur ! You need some strong refreshing courses to be examined by our VAE Jury.

Sorry Unkle , please excuse my agressivity but when I see a pseudo inquisitor making so many mistakes I can loose my temper temporaly. And you know that the French are..

Honest people see and judge by yourself our site
www.sorbonedu.com/sorboneng.html

 

M. Michal:

Bienvenue à DegreeInfo!

I have several questions concerning L'Université Francophone Robert de Sorbon that I hope you will be kind enough to answer. Rather than subjecting you to a deluge, I will ask them one at a time. Here is my first question.

Who, specifically (as in the exact name of the individual or individuals) legally owns the school or the parent corporation or corporations (please specify if there are different owners for the separately chartered corporations, such as the one in Anjouan and the one in Maine)?

In advance, I thank you for your clear and concise answer.

 

Answer to questions

They are no "owners" as they are not for Profit the French is an "Association 1901" (Coop all members owns it ) the other one is private non for profit chartered. You are more than welcome to see that the french coop is the major shareholder of the second one. T

But why it is so interesting about ownership (??) while the important thing is the education.
Are you Marat Danton, or Torquemada ? Do you ask the same question to Harvard or the university of Phoenix?

But I replied to you. I have more and more the impression that this forum is a bogus tribunal where people cites abrogated French Laws and have laughable arguments (cf the use of Sorbonne see above).

 

Re: Here are the actual French Law !!!

OK, let's agree that your insitution is physically located in France.

My first concern is the legal source of your degree granting authority. Does the French government recognize your insitution's degrees as being French domestic degrees? Or do they see you as an institution, located in France, that offers Comorean degrees?

My second concern is external academic quality assurance. Who is in charge of overseeing your school's academic standards? The French government? The Comoro Islands? Yourselves, internally?

I'm confused by your telling us both that your school is "authorized" according to the French education code and also telling us that that it is "accredited" by the Union des Comores Anjouan. How are these responsibilities divided, and why?

 

Re: Answer to questions

This, of course, does not answer the question. Moreover, it is nonsensical; even non-profit corporations (and even co-ops) have owners.

I am interested in the ownership of a school for the same reasons that accreditors and the Ministries of Education of any country with a concern for the quality of education are interested in ownership.

I do not ask the same question of Harvard or the University of Phoenix because I already know who owns them. The ownership is a matter of public record.

Why is it that you have a habit of insulting whomever asks you a simple question? Your responses, and the manner in which you deliver them, are extremely suspicious and not those expected of someone who is supposed to be affiliated with a legitimate university.

You replied, but you did not answer the question. Why? What (or whom) are you trying to obfuscate?

And I have more and more the impression that you have come here looking for customers but are unwilling to answer the most simple and basic questions concerning your institution. I cited no laws and presented no arguments. I asked you a simple and straightforward question.

There is no need to assume or act like the members of this forum are ignorant; that would be a grave mistake. Correct me if I am wrong, M. Michal, but Law 1901 allows a corporate entity to be formed with a minimum amount of capital and very few constraints. Moreover, what you refer to as “members” is nothing more, nothing less, than what we call, here in the United States, "shareholders;" in other words, "owners." Moreover, the ownership of a non-profit corporation in the state of Maine is, like Harvard and University of Phoenix, a matter of public record, so your refusal to answer only makes you look sinister.

Once again, who owns the non-profit corporation in Maine? Who owns (or are the members of the co-op that control) the "Association 1901?”

 

Interesting location for their US admissions office.

1) Please fill the On line Application Form and submit itsecurely. Do not forget to send your credentials
(studies and/or Work experience) to :
[email protected] (Gif or Jpeg only) or by fax (1) xxxxxx, You can send it by regular mail to our
US representative:
Université Francophone Robert de Sorbon,
Représentation USA
Suite 19, 5053 Ocean Blvd,
Sarasota FL 34242 USA.
Our fees should only be paid online through credit card.

Université Francophone Robert de Sorbon,
Service des Admissions,
Suite 19, 5053 Ocean Blvd,
Sarasota FL 34242

AUAP American Universities Admission Program
5053 Ocean Blvd., Suite 19
Sarasota, FL 34242
USA

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Opps, a Romanian connection, how interesting? My isn't Google fun?

 

Replies to OK let's agree

You say OK let's agree ! Yes let's agree that you were not correct in your previous statement !

I have to repeat myself for the third time calmely:

By the way you are the person citing an abrogated French law, to write about us in authoritative and judgemental manner ?

Do you recognized that you were not correct in citing this repealed Law.

Errare humanum est...sed perseverare Diabolicum !

May I ask you a question first as I will gladly answer to your questions:

Who are you are you? Are you a member of a faculty, what are your credentials to really judge us ? Do not be insulted but your reference to a repealed Law for 4 years makes me doubt of the quality of your previous information.


Sadly you are not alone to make mistakes there was another person (unkle Jancko) who did not know that there is in Paris 3 distinct Sorbone universities, as he had the guts of criticizing our name choice. "le ridicule ne tue plus heureusement" (Ridicule does not kill hopefully anymore)-French proverb.


I just want that some of distinguished people of this forum, who obviously do not what they are talking about, do not top make irrational jusgement and false affirmations on the Université Robert de Sorbon

Please answer as I reply to you.

Here are for the last time (Iam tired to repat myself)
Question:
My first concern is the legal source of your degree granting authority.
ANSWER THE ARTICLE AND RECOGNITION THAT I MENTIONED BEFORE L-731

Question
Does the French government recognize your insitution's degrees as being French domestic degrees?

AS I SAID BEFORE we will have now two entities, one in france that is a domestic French recognized and the one, which is accredited by Anjouan. Because of treaties mentioned before it is recognized in France through the Agence de la francophonie. The francophonie is an Association of French speaking countries that have cross recognition.

Your Interesting Question about Quality assurance: The French control the French entity the Comores Government do the same for the other. Let me remind you that in the USA the federal Government does not verirify the quality assurance or even does accreditation. It is auto regulated through regional entities and several national private associations, some being very lax, I have been told. Why many Americans always insist on Governement accreditation as in their country the federal Government as only control only the 5 military academies? Why are the other countries treated with an inferior standard? What is good in Southern Missisipi is not good in Poitiers or Anjouan? It was just a philosophical thought as we are gvt. controled.

About your last question: Read please my previous answer (it is a lawyer trick to always ask the same questions) Two entities one authorized (it is the term and one is accredited by another country. On top of that we are French and it is my translation of two distinct words .
As I told you before there are three points

1) Is the VAE Law real?Answer Yes
2) Are we recognized ? Answer yes
3) Is our VAE process and jury serious ?Answer Yes

Sincerely.

 

Sorry but asometimes you are Wrong Mr Gus

I do not want to offend you but you are wrong perhaps unvoluntarly on many points . It is why you have a detrimental judgement on Université Robert de Sorbon. I hope that what I said will enlight and will change your attittude. Why in this forum did people unvolontarly makes so many mistakes?
I am not offended and be assured dos not want to offend you.

You said
This, of course, does not answer the question. Moreover, it is nonsensical; even non-profit corporations (and even co-ops) have owners.

Wrong not in France it is an Association where each member has exactly the same power and ghas no capital see under The Université is owned mostly by the French association John Thomas is the president.


You said
obfuscate?

I do not know what it mean I was just complaining about your tone but I can be wrong as it is not my mother tongue. Is it like Offusqué en Français

You said
I do not ask the same question of Harvard or the University of Phoenix because I already know who owns them

I do not totally agred as Harvard is I think owned by a Foundation and we are by an Association which is quite similar

You said:
I am interested in the ownership of a school for the same reasons that accreditors and the Ministries of Education of any country with a concern for the quality of education are interested in

Sorry not correct Not in the USA as the Dept of education does not have any word. In France they are interested not by the owners as they are mostly but by the quality of the professors doing courses cf L731-3

You said:

You said "that you have come here looking for customers but are unwilling to answer the most simple and basic questions concerning your institution"
I disagree respectfully but totally. I come and spend a lot of times to answer reasonable questions as students told me that we were criticized insulted. French have pride I am spending hours (remember it is not my native language) to correct obvious mistakes as a repealed law, the use of Sorbon and now a curious american redifinition of our 1901 Association Law


You said:
Once again, who owns the non-profit corporation in Maine? Who owns (or are the members of the co-op that control) the "Association 1901?”


As I told you the Association 1901 has a stake in the Maine institution like Harvard i think. SORRY BUT YOU ARE TOTALLY WRONG IN THE DEFINITION OF LOI DE 1901 NOBODY CAN CONTROL AN ORGANISATION !901 WHICH HAS NO CAPITAL AS EACH MEMBER (it is a membership) HAS ONLY ONE VOTE.
The original founders were Dr. Robin, Dr. Mr. Michel Bardey and Dr. Bruce Coignord. They are 3 out now of 352 members.No member can have more than one vote. it is sacred philosophy of of the Law

I THINK YOU HAVE COOP IN THE STATES.

Regards and good night.
Here are the important point of 1901AssociationLaw .
ARTICLE 1
Objet:
Il est fondé entre le adhérents aux présents statuts une association régie par la loi du 1er juillet 1901 et le décret du 16 août 1901
ARTICLE 8
Le ressources de l'association sont constituées par:
Le montant des droits d'entrée et/ou des cotisations
Les subventions communales, départementales, nationales, du conseil général, de l'Etat, ect...
De dons en nature.
ARTICLE 11
L'assemblée générale ordinaire comprend tous le membres de l'association à quelque titre qu'ils y soient affiliés.

 

Re: Here are the actual French Law !!!

No one has ever stated that on this board. We don't tolerate that type of thing here. We also don't tolerate any straw-man insinuations.

Pull that again, Alain, and you're gone.

 

Fair play

You did not appreciate my reaction but why were you offended by what some people said wrongly about the Université ?

Je ne comprend pas... Deux poids deux mesures!! What about the freddom of speach Is it only one sided ? As a French and a black I have no right ?

i.e. I have to accept the term "frog Croaw croaw" but I can not be offended by People who implies that Africa can not validate a university.... It was clearly what some messages implied. I responded point per point to the questions. You asre probably not from a minority but this implication make me really suffer and angry.

I never implied the straw-man notion . One member of the forum in an Email told me that one person was a member of a for profit university. Is it wrong to ask if a person is employed by a university when people ask me the detailed composition of our capital ?

I myself introduced myself and did not say that I am Aunt Jemina, the pope or even Jacques Chirac.

You people just distroyed a part of what I thought of America a land of freedom where you can argue in due process.


Sadly yours
Alain

 

Re: Fair play

It was you who changed the reference from croak. The quote was from a Spanish proverb. It was uyou who twisted it in to an insult.

BTW please expalin the why your US admissions office is run from the same room as your credit evaluator and a Romanian bueaty supply agent?

 

Re: Fair play

Since we are being picky, should not the term Pope in this instance be capatilized as it is a title?

 

Au Revoir Les Amis de U. Robert de Sorbon

Dear Mike,

Now you criticize me because I did not put a P to pope (By the way I am Catholic and you are probably not is not it?). But when somebody mention as a definite argument an abrogated French Law, Mr Albrecht does not comment.

I am a foreign language person and I do not write in French as a courtesy to you. Danke Schoen Herr Albrecht !!!

Here is the message I get from one of the forum participant:

Alain, I've been reading your posts.

As you can see, you will never win, infact, the usual thing is what happens is that person representing the school gets banned (you), and then EVERYONE slams the school and you cannot defend the school at all anymore. ..... It's "Mob Rules" in there and you cannot win. Please take my advice and stop posting at degreeinfo, it will go on and on and on and never stop and everyone and his uncle will make a comment. They are also wacko's too , ...

Trust me (I know you will not) it is real, I did not invented it ..


I will follow his advice but I will reply personally to serious people at: [email protected]


PS The funny thing is one of the main Key players of Degreeinfo (I can not be more precise to respect her/his privacy) applied to the Université Francophone Robert de Sorbon...

 

Re: Au Revoir Les Amis de U. Robert de Sorbon

I always love secretive posts from supposed legit schools who are not able to substantiate their claims. Reminds me greatly of SRU.