Trump is the Perfect Sore Loser

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  1. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Continuation of some historical issues related to discussion.

     
  2. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member


    So from this post it seems that you are admitting that your statement about there being a problem with pedophilia in BSA being caused by liberals was just an assertion with no evidence to support it?

    Your facts listed seems to indicate that the push back on discrimination against homosexuals by the BSA started sometime before 2000? We know for a fact that they were having this problem prior to that date. Also, in 2006 the BSA was not yet hiring pedophiles at least not because liberals were forcing them to. I have no idea when you are asserting that the BSA was forced by liberals to hire pedophiles but in 2006 they still had not apparently caved in to the evil pressure from the liberals. I have not seen any evidence that a single case of pedophilia occurred by an openly gay person. By openly gay I mean he was known to be gay by the BSA before BSA hired him. The kind of evidence required to prove your assertions about evil liberals forcing BSA to hire pedophiles would be some kind of comparison about amount of abuse before and after or a large number of openly gay people being caught abusing boys. Or something, but I would not consider statements by Rush Limbaugh to be evidence. Rush Limbaugh is a source for fake news not for facts.
     
  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Sigh. The idiocy, the lunacy, the detachment from reality, the lying, the cheating, the abandonment of the office. Is this really what you Trump supporters signed up for? Is it really what you support? Seriously?

    Take politics completely out of the picture. There has never been a more incompetent and absent president in modern history. Do you really support this? Is this really how you think the presidency should be run? If so, that says an awful lot.
     
  4. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    73 million Americans see what people on the left don't see.
    What left saying is what left media want people to see.
    Look President Trump is human and has flaws like any human. He is not a typical president that's for sure.
    But despite all the obstacles the left created in last 4 years to fail his presidency he acted on his promises.
    He will be remembered as one of the better presidents we had.
    Yes you can have a more polished person who will tell people" You can keep your Dr"
    As it is written, judge them by their fruits.
     
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  5. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Again you are inaccurately paraphrasing my posts. I posted some of the history of the problem and one can deduct more then one conclusion.
    Obviously you are protecting the left. I'm against discrimination but also one need to understand
    when its right and wrong to mix. So parents who send their kids to lets say Muslim school don't want their children to be exposed to Idols of Hindus believes, or even stories, for example and its not discrimination not to include Hindus in Muslim school.
    If one sends children to non religious public school then its a different meter.
     
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  6. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    It is just as valid to say they fail to see what the rest of the nation sees.
    Oh, I would think it would be fair to argue that he is considerably more flawed than "any human." Worse, he's more flawed than any president ever, which has been a disaster for our country. Further, he is un-American in his battle against democracy to serve his selfish desires.
    NO ONE says this with any authority. This isn't under any serious debate. Historians are already having a field day with his delirious administration.
    You take one simplification and hang onto it like an indictment. You want scoreboard? Obama vs. Trump? Seriously? You'd lose on every single front. The economy, jobs, world affairs, personal corruption, self-dealing, and criminal activity. Please. It's not even close.
    What "fruits"? A destroyed economy? A deficit-busting tax cut for the wealthy? Pandemic response? What? No infrastructure bill. No wall. No universal health care (better and cheaper than the ACA, remember?) Blew it in Iran. Blew it in Syria. Blew it in North Korea. Blew it with a trade war with China.

    We don't have to spend one single moment on all of the odious things he's done. We can simply point to all the things he promised to do but failed to do.

    Barack Obama is the 12th-ranked President in history

    Survey of scholars places Trump as third worst president of all time
     
  7. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Well whats next, say Trump created COVID 19 virus.
    We all know economy was doing great until Covid19.
    So thank you governors for killing the economy. If there was a perfect storm for the left COVID19 provided it.
    And some doubled down on it to kill the economy to wipe achievements of President Trump.

    The problem is that due fake impeachment, and witch hunt with left mob media the left got majority in the house.
    So they barely passed one major by partizan bill.

    Trump,
    Oil independence,
    Immigration and agreements with Mexico etc, they are actually stooping the invasion .
    ACA, I remember ACA, people dying of not being able to afford med's, such as Insulin under Obama so called care.
    One had an insurance card with thousands in deductibles that covered very little.
    And Dr's didn't want to accept this insurance.
    Obama couldn't take care of ISIS. Trump did.
    Meaningless red line warning in Syria by Obama, weakened the US, Russia took Cremia under Obama.
    Second term was really bad.
    First term of Obama in my view was good, is another situation as he inherited housing crisis and bad economy.
    Wall Street reform. Credit CARD Act of 2009
    Taxation and spending. Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Re authorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010.
    Trump will be among top 3 ranked Presidents in the history of the US.
    Trump achieved a lot. Even the 73 million votes this elections is huge.
     
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  8. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    But that never happened. The virus has been with us for almost a year and no one has blamed Trump for its creation, nor its entry into the US.
    It was doing less well than under Obama.
    No. The central government has the power to deal with a nationwide crisis. You can't just divvy up a pandemic into 51 (or more) little pieces. But that's what the president did by deserting his post.
    Quite the opposite. Don't you see what is happening in more advanced democracies than ours? They stepped on this pandemic hard and immediately, and didn't let up until it was under control. Now they're enjoying far more freedom that we are. The key to economic recovery is to deal with the thing that imploded the economy, not to ignore it. That's why this administration, under Trump, is failing so badly at containing it.
    The president committed numerous crimes--all detailed in the Mueller report. Besides, a do-nothing president had plenty of time to deal with his impeachment, especially since the fix was in from the beginning. It had nothing to do with Covid readiness. Or did you forget when Trump said it would go away? Or when he said it would magically disappear when the weather warmed? Or when he said he felt no responsibility for dealing with it?
    That's on the Republicans. The Democrats in the House passed the Heroes Act in MAY. McConnell never allowed it to come to the Senate floor for a vote.
    WHAT? We still import millions of gallons of oil daily. C'mon, man.
    What immigration agreements?
    The ACA opened up health care to millions of people who couldn't get it before.
    What? Which doctors?
    No, he didn't. ISIS is still going.
    Notice that Trump did nothing about it, either. So...no.
    Oh, please. By what standard? Look at the disaster that is Trump.
    And brought the country out of it. Trump, on the other hand, ruined ours (except for the stock market, which benefits the wealthiest among us.)
    As opposed to Trump, who reduced taxes on the wealthiest and then spent like a drunken sailor on liberty.
    Please name one non-partisan source who says that. I dare you.
    Not as huge as the 80+ million earned by Biden. But that doesn't seem to be enough for Republicans, because they're doing everything they can to destroy our democratic republic.

    That was easy.
     
  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

  10. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    80 mil by Biden is unusual, indeed Biden outperformed all of them, Clinton, Obama etc. Some see this as anomaly.
    Economy
    Well this is simply incorrect.
    At least until the pandemic, the president’s Trump unconventional policy got unprecedented results.
    Biden is elected president(yet to be certified), he should continue Trump’s economic approach rather than returning to Barack Obama’s.
    Between December 2009 and December 2016, the unemployment rate dropped 5.2 percentage points, from 9.9% to 4.7%. By December 2019, it had fallen another 1.2 percentage points, to 3.5%.
    By 2016, officials in the Treasury Department and at the Federal Reserve had concluded that the economy was at full employment and that further improvement in the labor market was unlikely.
    This was in line with the Congressional Budget Office’s guidance that further declines in the unemployment rate would push the economy beyond its sustainable capacity.
    Well Trump proved them wrong didn't he?
    He implemented a program of tax cuts, spending increases and unprecedented pressure on the Fed to cut interest rates to zero and keep them there.
    Trump’s goal of 3% growth was derided as delusional, while a bipartisan chorus of commentators declared his policies reckless and irresponsible.

    They were anything but. Not only did the unemployment rate continue to fall, but the percentage of Americans aged 25 to 54 either employed or looking for a job saw its first sustained rise since the late 1980s.
    This inflection point changed the character of the labor market.
    In 2016, real median household income was $62,898, just $257 above its level in 1999. Over the next three years it grew almost $6,000, to $68,703.

    On the military:
    Obama's moves to slim down the armed forces, move away from traditional military might and overhaul social policies prohibiting the service of minority groups have proven divisive in the ranks. His critics have accused him of trading a strong security posture for political points, and for allowing the rise of terrorists like the Islamic State group whom the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were supposed to silence.

    More than half of troops surveyed in the latest Military Times/Institute for Veterans and Military Families poll said they have an unfavorable opinion of Obama and his two-terms leading the military. About 36 percent said they approve of his job as commander in chief.

    Their complaints include the president’s decision to decrease military personnel (71 percent think it should be higher), his moves to withdraw combat troops from Iraq (59 percent say it made America less safe) and his lack of focus on the biggest dangers facing America (64 percent say China represents a significant threat to the U.S.)

    Troops responding to the Military Times/IVMF poll saw years of defense budget fights as the largest blemish on Obama’s presidency.

    President Trumps excellent record on military achievements:

    https://promiseskept.com/achievement/overview/national-security-and-defense/
     
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  11. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Oh for heaven's sake. Comparing Trump to anyone else at this time misses the point entirely. Donald Trump, alone among Presidents in my time if not in the history of the office, is doing his level best to destroy American democracy for his personal benefit. Nothing Nixon did even came close to this level of treachery.
     
  12. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    The BBC says: YOUR WRONG!
     
  13. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Well, this is only the case when you look at things via liberal glasses.
    I think the other side thinks the same of radical left. that is about to use Biden for power grabbing.
    Left already been successful in destroying America as it is.

    Also if, a big IF, there was voting fraud by left operatives on a large scale then obviously the American Democracy real threat is the election theft.
    This is still being probed, and new evidence being examined, from 22 machines in GA, to AZ.
     
  14. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    This is, as usual, baseless. Biden is no more subject to the extremes of his party than were Obama, Bill Clinton, etc. All moderates like him.
     
  15. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    There wasn't. If there is proof otherwise, fine. But the question has been answered. Trump's lawyers--including that superspreader Giuliani, have repeatedly contended IN COURT that they are not alleging fraud. I believe them. Why don't you?
     
  16. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Bob Barr wears Liberal glasses? Must come as a surprise to HIM!:emoji_joy:
     
  17. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Lerner:

    Donald Trump is now attempting to take the election through non-legal means. (Calling legislators to convince them to give him EC votes instead of awarding them to their states' winner, Biden.)

    Are you okay with this illegal activity?
     
  18. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Dude,
    In much greater numbers. The WAST majority of sexual abuse claims against BSA (around 92,000 as submitted through their Chapter 11 bankruptcy process) date to well before they "were forced" to hire anyone (and yeah, Scoutmasters are volunteers). They now have a more rigorous youth protection policies, part of the same "liberal" reforms as not discriminating against gays. I read through their brochure and did the required talk with my daughters two weeks ago.
     
  19. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Makes as much logical sense as saying, "IF all Republicans are doing the direct bidding of Satan then our country is in great danger!" What evidence is there? Well the evidence is being examined. In the meantime please send your money to the Save America from Satan fund to continue the fight!
     
  20. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Careful...he might DO it.
     
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