Tea leaves?

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by nosborne48, Aug 24, 2020.

  1. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I can't believe this. Donald Trump, of all people, should understand "You're fired!" :(
  2. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

  3. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    President Trump is convinced that the election was stolen and the crime well covered.
    Dominion voting systems software was rigged and access by Chinese operative among others who are interested to see him gone, and Biden the next US President.
    Trump will not stop but fight back.
    How successful it will be so far a lot of setback but not over yet.
    President Donald Trump is considering appointing a special prosecutor to probe an election he alleges was rife with illegal and "rigged" balloting.
  4. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Here's an interesting article that might explain some of what is going on. It says in part.

    "Four large studies among U.S. adults found consistent evidence that conservatives are more likely than liberals to endorse conspiracy thinking. This effect was explained by a distrust in officials and paranoid tendencies. The findings were published in Political Psychology.

    Past research has linked belief in conspiracy theories to negative consequences, such as antisocial behavior, prompting researchers to delve into the role of ideology in conspiracy thinking. Some scholars have suggested that conspiracy thinking is equally prevalent at both extremes of the political spectrum, with both leftists and rightists endorsing their share of conspiracy beliefs.


    There's another interesting topic I posted about a while ago that I found through TED Talk. The scientist coined the title Disgustology. They found a correlation between political persuasion and how disgusted one becomes from disgusting things. This conspiracy thinking seems to have a similar correlation.
  5. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    The Trump campaign spent $3 million in Wisconsin to increase Biden's lead there. It just doesn't get any better than that.

    Trump has been trying to find some way of getting a few states to nullify the election and not send Biden's electors to the EC. It is failing miserably, while democracy holds. He can do whatever he wants in the courts. They're rejecting him at every turn because he simply has nothing, nor should anyone expect otherwise.

    Do not expect him to concede. (Nothing relies on it, anyway.) Don't expect his followers to accept his loss. (Ditto.) It's all moot. And over.

    Bill's points about conspiracy theories and conservatives is well-put. Do not expect them to change their minds--it is contrary to the very concept of conservatism. I'm not making a value judgment; "inflexible" could also mean "steady" or "reliable." But it has an unfortunate side-effect: you can't convince them of anything, no matter how strong the factual evidence. Our tête-à-tête with Lerner was a fine example of the right being impervious to any facts. It was a fun exercise to demonstrate this effect, but ultimately pointless. Nothing changed. Fortunately, it was not necessary for anything to change. They'll be left behind anyway.
  6. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

  7. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    In 2018 Abrams never conceded and she was made a hero for that.
  8. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Watch Kreb's interview on 60 Minutes. Basically the accusations by Trump that there was massive voter fraud is simply another Trump lie. One that he has repeated for months. He started telling this lie way before the election which is a really huge clue that it is just another Trump lie. Come to think of it, this pathological liar told the same lie about the 2016 election. Where is the evidence? No where because there is no evidence.

    Ridiculous, she has been praised for her work after that election. I never heard a peep about her never conceding.
  9. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

  10. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    thank you for the link to the article.

    I didn't mean to imply that she conceded the election. What I was trying to say is that I never heard anyone praising her as a hero for not conceding. She was made a hero (arguably) for the work she did after the election and perhaps getting fairly close to winning but I never heard any praise making her out to be a hero for not conceding.
  11. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    You're right.

    Trump's lack of a concession is immaterial. Same with Abrams'. But Abrams wasn't in the position to interfere with the new governor's transition into the statehouse, and that DOES matter.

    Kemp engaged in blatant voter suppression, but I don't know if it was enough to throw the election to himself. But the concession (or lack thereof)? Irrelevant. Same with Trump's.

    Oh, and I don't believe Abrams sued 40 times to overturn the election, either. But I could be mistaken.
  12. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    For fun I looked at this article https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-s-election-fight-includes-over-30-lawsuits-it-s-n1248289 and tried to count who actually filed the 41 cases that have been filed up to this point. My tally is 10 suits involved Trump directly and 23 were filed by other Republicans rather than Trump directly. So that leaves 8 that I either missed and/or weren't specifically listed in the article.
  13. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    If Trump believes that elections are rigged and this is just another stage in the attempt to remove him from presidency, like what took place last 4 years then he will file 100 lawsuits if it s needed.
    From what I seen so far he is kinda guy who will swing back.
    So I'm not surprised and I have zero control over that.
    But he will step down once Biden is certified.
  14. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    What does this mean?

    "Certified"? That isn't a precise term. Do you mean after all the states have certified their votes? After the Electoral College electors have been selected ("safe harbor")? After they've voted? After Congress accepts the votes? After the inauguration? When?

    What does "stop" mean? That he'll stop filing lawsuits? Where do you get that? He's said publicly he will continue filing suits, even after the inauguration.

    That he will resign? When?

    He certainly won't concede. Not then. Not ever.
  15. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

  16. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    You say "step down" as it's his choice. He's not stepping down. He lost.
  17. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I read people are saying he is refusing to leave the WH.
    That what I meant, that he will move out of WH and transition the presidency.
    Indeed so far everything is pointing to that he lost.
    There is from what I read an outcry from people who signed affidavits claiming irregularities and fraud.
    What is your response to the testimony of the PA Data Scientist allegations, he claimed the evidence was removed gone.
    Should this trigger an investigation?
  18. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Perhaps. But Trump isn't saying it. He's insisting he'll prevail, that he'll be inaugurated for a second term, but I don't recall him saying he will refuse to leave when Biden is elected.
    Well, the transition should have begun as soon as the election results were clear. They were as clear in a few days as the day Clinton conceded. But Trump refused to allow the transition to ensue. Legal? Probably. But unprofessional and faithless to our nation.
    Sorry, but no. Notice that Trump's team does not allege in their filings that fraud took place. They don't do it, and sometimes they state that there WAS NO FRAUD. Why? Because a lawyer can lie in a press conference, but if he/she pulls that nonsense on a judge, that attorney might find his/her law license in jeopardy.
    Was that in a court filing? If not, it is meaningless.

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