Tea leaves?

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by nosborne48, Aug 24, 2020.

  1. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Of course Fox News still has a much bigger audience than Newsmax. Not all Trump supporters are in the Trump cult and try to believe all of his lies. Fox News will not be willing to throw the baby out with the bath water by parroting all the election fraud lies. They need to maintain their credibility. Whereas Newsmax and OANN have nothing to lose. They are both rated as a questionable source and Fake News when it comes to the 2020 election fraud issues. But, you are of course free to believe whatever lies float your boat.

    "When it comes to science, Newsmax does not always align with the consensus of experts in the given field. For example, they often promote that there is “no global warming“, which is simply untrue. Further, they have promoted misinformation regarding the safety of vaccines, chemtrails, CoronaVirus conspiracies, and unproven 2020 election fraud disinformation."

    "Overall, we rate One America News Questionable based on far-right bias, lack of sourcing, promotion of conspiracy theories, and propaganda as well as numerous failed fact checks. OAN is not a credible news source. (10/12/2016) (D. Van Zandt 09/10/2020)"
  2. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Talking about media - left media is not better:
    Left media outlets and Democrats "that spewed never-ending, nonstop psychotic rage and hatred for four years, Unproven Conspiracy Theories about 2016 elections" Shawn Hannity.
    "The double standard we are watching with the mob and the media is beyond disgusting, repulsive, sickening, and sad," he argued.
    "The media mob and the Democrats harassed this president, harassed we his supporters for four straight years with lies and conspiracy theories always questioning the legitimacy of this presidency," he went on.
    "They never accepted the election results in 2016 but in seconds, Joe Biden won, let's tell the world," he said.
    The media can try as they might, but Trump supporters are "not going to be lectured by the same media frauds and Democrats, the ones that called us chumps, irredeemable, deplorable, sexist, racist, smelly Walmart shoppers," Hannity asserted.
  3. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    deleted - J.
  4. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Like I said, meaningless. Have you looked at their record in court?
  5. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Please cite an unproven conspiracy theory commonly promoted by Democrats. Please. I'd love to hear one.
  6. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I didn't, I looked at the claims that here are affidavits and complains so as a non law professional I don't understand why are these not being sufficient?
    Obviously I'm missing something or don't know how this works.
    BTW I never sued anybody nor ever been sued.
  7. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    We will have to ask Mr. Hanitty to provide this info.
    I think it will be like
    #1 Russia Collusion.
    #2 Corona
    "On the heels of the president’s announcement of a sweeping travel ban from other countries and declaration of emergency, a Sunday CNN chyron read: “Trump on Corona virus: From ‘Hoax’ to National Emergency.”
    The trouble is that Trump never called the corona virus a “hoax” — this is an inaccurate and misleading distortion of what he has said, created and propagated by major media. And CNN won’t stop repeating it."

    "On Feb. 28, Washington Post columnist Dana Milbank tweeted out, “Remember this moment: Trump, in South Carolina, just called the corona virus a ‘hoax.’ ” The tweet has since been “liked” more than 162,000 times. Milbank subsequently wrote a column repeating the claim."

    "There’s simply no excuse for CNN to still be repeating a false claim that happens to be a Democratic talking point. And this is just one example from a mountain of similar distortions; politically loaded errors have been a prominent feature of coronavirus coverage."
  8. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    But it is demonstrably better. First, I was discussing Newsmax and OANN. If you look at https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/ compare them all. CBS, ABC, and NBC are rated all very good. Just below them is Fox News, CNN, and MSNBC all rated about the same. They get hit for accuracy based primarily on guests on the live interviews. If you looked at CNN and Fox News printed website the accuracy would both be better. Newsmax is rated significantly below all of the above and OANN is rated significantly below Newsmax. Now below all of the above are things like Infowars and rushlimbaugh.com.

    Your statements about not accepting the 2016 election is silly propaganda from the right as is the rest of your rant.

    Did Trump call the virus a hoax? Not really, who says that CNN! The left media that you accuse of telling lies without evidence. https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/17/politics/joe-biden-campaign-ad-trump-coronavirus-hoax-fact-check/index.html I guess you are implying that the President has never lied about the pandemic even though I've heard a recording of him telling Woodward that he downplays the pandemic on purpose because the American people would panic if they knew the truth.

    Now regarding your attempt to claim that all those words you've put into Hannity's mouth actually came out of his mouth and are true then either own them or put them in quotes with a reference. Sorry but that is an extremely intellectually weak game that you play here.
  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Federal appeals court panel rejects Trump request to block certification of Pennsylvania’s election results: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal-appeals-court-rejects-trump-request-for-emergency-injunction-to-overturn-certification-of-pennsylvanias-election-results/2020/11/27/556540ba-30d7-11eb-bae0-50bb17126614_story.html

    Oops. 3-judge panel--each appointed by a Republican (including the one who wrote the decision, appointed by Trump).

    In a scathing 21-page opinion, the 3rd Circuit Court said that the Trump campaign’s challenge of the district court’s decision had “no merit.” The opinion was written by Judge Stephanos Bibas, who was appointed to the court by President Trump. Bibas was joined by two other Republican-appointed judges in a unanimous vote by the three-member panel.

    “Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here,” Bibas wrote. “Voters, not lawyers, choose the President. Ballots, not briefs, decide elections.

    Ouch. That's going to leave a mark.

    It doesn't appear that the Trump team has an issue to go to the Supreme Court with, even though they said they will. I wouldn't be surprised if the Supreme Court turns it away without hearing it, since there doesn't seem to be anything for the Trump team to appeal.

    Biden won the election. It's never been in doubt. Trump and his supporters can protest all they want, but they (and he) got beat. By a lot.
  10. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Hannity sayings in my post are all in quotation marks.
    I copied from here:
    Same for the quotations, I used quotation marks. ""
    Last edited: Nov 28, 2020
  11. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    So far Trump legal teams and other concerned citizens failed to prove their allegations.
    But the fight is still going on.
    I didn't invent this, many people think based on the allegations that Dominion systems used a rigged software.
    I know this been refuted. But they are not convinced.
    They say Dominion VP is in hiding, CO office closed. Other offices are closed, and much more.
    I didn't validate any of the allegations all I'm saying is that this seeds of deceit were planted in peoples heads.
    Powell filed other lawsuits on this and other issues.
    The Trump camp is still fighting.
    Pennsylvania GOP seeks to reclaim power to appoint electors, which I don't support.
    Certification is near and if I'm not mistaken once Biden is certified Trump said he will leave the WH.
    Last edited: Nov 28, 2020
  12. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Great thank you, now if you look at that. It is ALL his opinion. People are free to express their opinion. If you share those opinions then fine.

    The facts we have on the table being discussed is that Newsmax and OANN are questionable sources, significantly less trustworthy than CBS, ABC, NBC , Fox News, CNN, and MSNBC. Also another fact being discussed is that Biden won the 2020 election. At least that is a fact according to CBS, ABC, NBC , Fox News, CNN, and MSNBC. Another asserted fact being discussed is that Trumps claims of election fraud are without evidence. Despite the claim of evidence everything presented in court has proven to be insignificant. It seems obvious to me that making these claims without evidence by a known pathological liar can be dismissed as nothing more than more of his lies.

    If you'd like to discuss Russia attacking our 2016 election, I'd be more than happy to but suggest it would best be in a new thread created for that purpose.
  13. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    From what I see there is serious biased censorship taking place. President of the USA news conference, in the past all major networks would broadcast such an event.
    Our time only Fox and NewsMax.
    Apparent suppression on major social media sites, apps.= under the guise of "rules".
    Applications that started as neutral are no longer such.
    These type of censorship and bused reporting the type that pushes only one side propaganda intensifies the creation or expansion of new outlets with alternate content.
    Providing platform and alternative to extreme sites as well, as some get shutdown.
    There is a crisis in the news reporting arena.
  14. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

  15. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    It's not a fight. One side keeps filing motions and cases, only to be rejected. The other is getting on with preparing to run the government.
    Who says? Not according to news sources. That means YOU'RE saying it, making a false claim.
    "They" who? Judges have not ruled this.
    But you're repeating them uncritically. That means you're joining those opinions. You might as well be the original source.
    No, it isn't. It's still filing, but it's getting clobbered everywhere because it cannot substantiate anything it claims.
    Actually, what is looming is the Electoral College vote, which will go to Biden.

    This election is normal in every way, save for the increase in early, mail-in, and absentee voting. But utterly normal in terms of irregularities, fraud, etc. What is different is the Republicans' (yes, the Republicans, not just Trump) unwillingness to accept the outcome. This is un-American, unpatriotic, and a disgrace. It undermines our ability to self-rule and fairly select our representatives, which is the hallmark of a democratic republic. I do not accept that this is normal, acceptable, or a reasonable reaction to a pretty hum-drum election outcome.
  16. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

  17. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member


    I didn't verify but my initial reaction to this gentleman's account is that it appears truthful.
    Evidence can be concealed, deposed etc. But this should be checked in to.

    Gregory Stenstrom, a data scientist and expert in security and fraud, testified before the Pennsylvania Senate Republicans that he saw a "voting machine warehouse supervisor" insert USB drives into voting machines "over 24 times" while Stenstrom was poll watching in Delaware County.
    With testimonies like this one, are there any surprises that people allege

    Last edited: Nov 28, 2020
  18. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Still clinging on to fake news I see. Newsmax is a questionable source.

    For full disclosure, I only watched about five minutes of it because it was so devoid of any useful information. Anyway from what I saw the explanation to this nonsense is two fold. First point, it is simply just stupid ridiculous food for conspiracies. Here are some random statistics that he pulled from here and there. So what? It is not news, it is just ridiculous unconnected facts communicated in conspiratorial tones. Second point, Trump's approval numbers are the lowest in USA Presidential in history. He tried to be President for only the states that voted for him and alienated everyone else. Trump loss was too bad so sad for some 74 million folks, while some 80 million folks are very pleased. Trump lost by about 6 million votes. Sorry you're in the too bad so sad group.

    Note that if Pennsylvania was won by Trump he would still be the loser. Penn = 20 electoral votes, so if Biden's electoral vote total was adjusted 306 -20 = 286 it would still be more than 232 + 20 = 254 electoral votes for the loser Trump. Heck even if we gave Penn and either Michigan or Georgia to Trump, Trump would still be the loser.

    I hope that the Newsmax and Brietbart fake news can help you recover but it appears to me that they are just feeding the need for fantasy to pretend the sad thing didn't really happen when you'd probably be better off being sad for a few days and get over it like we did in 2016.
  19. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I understand your points and expected that you will question the source.
    As to the content, at the minimum it encourages me to do a research and check facts.
    I think the commentator makes interesting points.
    Maybe it would get your curiosity going?
    The fact there there was no sufficient evidence presented so far in the legal challenges can be due to:
    A. Nothing wrong occurred
    B. Evidence was destroyed, concealed.
    Some persons alleging irregularities appear to be credible citizens, as I posted earlier a testimony of PA Data Sci.
    Some people connecting the dots and feel cheated.
    Last edited: Nov 28, 2020
  20. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Feel free to PM me if you wish.

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