Republicans still believe Trump's election loss was the result of a rigged election

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  1. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I think you hit the nail on the head with this one. It is also the same reason that Cyber Ninjas will claim it found proof of election fraud in Arizona (even though there will probably not be anything significant found). Cyber Ninjas is raising lots of money doing this and they want to do it in other states to make the owner even richer.
     
  2. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Do you think Trump really believes that he may be reinstalled in August? What is the purpose of him saying this if he doesn't believe it is true?
     
  3. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Possibly one would say something like that to make the rivals feel pressured.
    He is also gives hope to his followers.
    And yes I think it encourages fund raising.
     
  4. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    The rest is not bla bla but basically its an on going situation and wars and other situations cause border lines changes.

    Who know if Turkey in 2035 will have Crimea as theirs.

    For me Jerusalem is integral part of Israel.
    Same goes for Golan heights.

    And the same goes for Crimea its Ukraine.
     
  5. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

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  6. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Its expected that such investigation will be attacked.
    But Im only interested in legal and ethical one.
    To many people have bias so how to tell who lied?
    When I saw many election workers etc saying they saw irregularities if they were on GOP side many Dems immediately labeled them as liers.
     
  7. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Audit cost money, as long as tax money is not used but there are fund raisers and people are willingly want to contribute then why not?
     
  8. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Active Member

    You don't think that money would be better spent on... literally anything else?

    Also, audits and recounts may be funded by taxpayer money. There is a list here: https://ballotpedia.org/Who_pays_for_recounts_and_contested_elections%3F_(2020)
     
  9. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Who am I?
    I have no influence nor active in any way.
    So this is not my call to make.
    As opinion there may be multiple motives it all this.
     
  10. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Yes, they will especially be attacked when run without transparency which means a transparent plan, being jointly run by both parties with both parties participating and both parties with observers. This fake Arizona audit has none of those things and so cannot be trusted and should not be trusted. It is nothing but a hunt for MAGA porn. MAGA porn is the only possible outcome.
     
  11. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    If persons wanted to attack this AZ investigation they would say what you are saying.
    I read reports that raised many red flags.
    The question is how reliable these reports.
    I'm not saying they are false but the ones running this investigations are.
    They are glad that finally someone is checking deeper and a few conspiracy theories are cheeked.
    They expect a lot of Dem obstacles.
    GA state also in their opinion looks like finally uncovering what many concerned citizens reported in Nov 2020.
    At the time Dems called these people liers.
     
  12. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I don't know what you mean when you say the truth is finally coming out and Democrats said that they were lies before? You've said this a few times and so obviously believe it. If coming out means for example, the article. you linked https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/georgia-audit-documents-show-unsecured-missing-ballot-batches-ballots I would guess that you're mistaken because this was about the last audit done at Georgi? Nothing came out or was shown that anything really significant occurred.

    The bottom line about audits is what has been said by me and others. The only way that an audit will prove anything is if it is open and transparent and done in a systematic bi-partisan manner. This is the way the audits that were already done were done. The Republicans didn't like those audits simply because they didn't like the results. They want an audit that that proves that Trump really won the election or at least that is all Trump cares about. He will keep repeating his lie about winning the election in a landslide no matter what any audit or anyone says. Because Trump will keep repeating his Big Lie no matter what. There will be many Republicans that continue to believe this Big Lie regardless of any evidence.
     
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  13. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Many of my colleagues and friends vote GOP.
    So what I posted its what my perception is and yes that article appears has effect on the GOP voters.
    I agree there were no destructed hard drives and bleached hard drives, hidden tens of thousands emails.
    So far.
    At the minimum those activities serve purpose be it fund raising or influence on upcoming elections.
     
  14. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    :rolleyes:
     
  15. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    What is now known truths that the Democrats previously incorrectly claimed were lies? You have made this claim multiple times. I don't know what you mean. Please explain.

    You seem to have just erroneously jumped to the obviously false conclusion that if anything is amiss then it proves that the GOP was being hurt. Where in the article that you linked to originally and I reposted above does it give ANY hint that the problems described impacted GOP voters negatively rather than positively?
     
  16. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    He can't tell you because there aren't any such instances.
     
  17. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member


    "In 2014, after Russia annexed Crimea and began arming separatists in eastern Ukraine with tanks, armored vehicles and rocket launchers, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko came to Washington to plead for weapons to defend his country. In an impassioned address to a joint session of Congress — with Biden sitting directly behind him — Poroshenko said his country appreciated the nonlethal assistance he was getting, but declared “one cannot win a war with blankets.”

    The Obama-Biden administration was unmoved. The Wall Street Journal reported at the time that “President Barack Obama stuck to his refusal to provide weapons or other lethal military gear to Ukraine.” Why?

    Team Obama feared that lethal aid would provoke Moscow.

    So what did the administration give him? Instead of rocket-propelled grenades, we provided food rations. As one frustrated former Pentagon official put it at the time, “What kind of message does that send anyway?”
    When Putin Annexed Crimea, Obama and Biden Did Diddly-Squat

    In May 2018, after Ukraine tested its new Javelin missiles, Poroshenko exulted on Twitter “Finally this day has come!” and personally thanked Trump “for supporting Ukraine and adopting a decision to provide Javelin antitank missile systems.”"
     
  18. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Indeed it seems as GOP activists are coming across as 'kooks' in their efforts and the strategy is flawed and ineffective yet there are according to the organizers some benefits to the long term prospects for 2022 and 2024.
    The fire was put down but not completely. They admit that Trump lost.
    GOP activists say that all of this stuff that's floating around out there, creates speculation and many theories, and many of them have a trace of validity to them.
    The Dem's as it obvious and also here are doing everything they can to make every one of them appear to be right out of "Kookville".
    As to me I wish peaceful coexistence of two different theories of life, theories of government, theories of how we manage our affairs,

     
  19. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The answer to my second question seems obvious since it was not responded to. However, you have not answered the first question. I'm having difficulty gleaning the answer to that one.

    What are the now known truths that the Democrats previously incorrectly claimed were lies? You have made this claim multiple times. I don't know what you mean. Please explain.

    My belief is that the core source of the "Kooky" ideas that you refer to is the natural result of long term Republican badmouthing of mainstream media and therefore lack of truthful and trusted information for the Republican base coupled with the Republican leader, Donald Trump, being a pathological liar and someone concerned only with himself
     
  20. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    So Dem's don't lie? Dem presidents don't lie? Dem supporter don't lie.
    How many lost their primary physicians after being promised they will be able to keep their Dr?
    With Dem's if you are white and claim racial equality you are a racist.
    Marxist left built its political program on the theory of class conflict. Now its being modified to race conflict.
    Reducing but not completely abandoning Marx’s economic dialectic of capitalists and workers, substituted race for class and trying to create a revolutionary coalition of the dispossessed based on racial and ethnic categories. Basically identity-based Marxism.
    In contrast to equality, equity as defined and promoted by critical race theorists is little more than reformulated Marxism.
    As someone who came from communist and socialist country I think its huge danger to the USA.
    Here is an example: UCLA law professor and critical race theorist Cheryl Harris has proposed suspending private property rights, seizing land and wealth and redistributing them along racial lines.
    An equity-based form of government would mean the end not only of private property but also of individual rights, equality under the law, federalism and freedom of speech. These would be replaced by race-based redistribution of wealth, group-based rights, active discrimination and omnipotent bureaucratic authority.
    No longer simply an academic matter, critical race theory has become a tool of political power.

    I prefer GOP for many reasons. Those who voted Dem's are being lied to to and they are being deceived.
    At this time Dem's centrists maybe able to resist the more radical left with aspirations above even if some of the centrists may have similar aspirations to a degree,
    but I don't think the risk worth it. GOP needed to run on issues this time around, and need to focus on what is good for the USA.

     

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