Republicans still believe Trump's election loss was the result of a rigged election

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by Bill Huffman, Apr 12, 2021.

  1. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Lerner, you seem to have gone off the deep end. I didn't say Dems don't lie. I just asked what you meant. The first time I asked what you meant was right after this post.

    Lerner's post Quote:
    If persons wanted to attack this AZ investigation they would say what you are saying.
    I read reports that raised many red flags.
    The question is how reliable these reports.
    I'm not saying they are false but the ones running this investigations are.
    They are glad that finally someone is checking deeper and a few conspiracy theories are cheeked.
    They expect a lot of Dem obstacles.
    GA state also in their opinion looks like finally uncovering what many concerned citizens reported in Nov 2020.
    At the time Dems called these people liers.
    End quote

    I asked "What are the now known truths that the Democrats previously incorrectly claimed were lies? You have made this claim multiple times. I don't know what you mean. Please explain."

    This article about irregularities had to do about the last recount not counting immediately after voting. What was proven true that people were called liars for claiming? Just a reminder, the article was about issues regarding the recount not the first count after the election.
    Last edited: Jun 23, 2021
  2. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    More and more coming out about how Trump contemplated a military coup. Scary stuff.
  3. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

  4. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Speaker Nancy Pelosi known for her great love for Trump plans to appoint a select committee to investigate the deadly January 6 attack on the US Capitol after Senate Republicans blocked the creation of an independent commission to probe the insurrection, according to two sources familiar with the matter.
  5. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Lerner, I'll take your lack of response as meaning that you have no response.

    Here's my summary of the article. I will also try to cover the rational as to why your two assertions about what the article were mistaken. The article link again is

    The article gets down into the weeds regarding what irregularities were found in the Georgia audit. The most important thing in the article was the fact that the secretary of state Raffensperger prior to the election assigned an independent observer to go to Fulton county and monitor the whole vote count process in Fulton. This monitor had complete reign and freedom to go anywhere and everywhere as he monitored the original vote counting in Fulton. Both he and Raffensperger say that the count was not significantly impacted but that there was some mismanagement observed. Now of course the judge has ruled that the absentee ballots will be unsealed and reviewed. This came out after this article was published, so that is not in the article but is good assuming that it is a review done by professionals instead of frauds like the Cyber Ninja.

    The article said four problems were found.
    1. 100 batches of about 100 ballots each were assigned tracking number numbers but it was not properly recorded what machine they were eventually counted on.
    2. more than 2 dozen batches of absentee ballots were identified as having been scanned twice on the machine tally sheets.
    3. Five sequential sheets appeared with the exact same vote count.
    4. Many control sheets for absentee ballot batches counted during the state's audit did not check a box indicating the ballot came from a secure container.

    Note that no where in the article was there an indication that it could be determined whether these mistakes more likely hurt the GOP or the Democrats, if either one. So your apparent assertion that it was coming out that GOP voters were hurt by this was not based on fact. Also I don't imagine that you really know any Republicans previously declaring one of the 4 above items and any Democrats then calling them liars. Which if I understood your assertion correctly would debunk another assertion you made.

    Finally I note that Raffensperger is Republican that said he voted for Trump and wanted Trump to win.

    These assertions by Trump that he won Georgia is a completely baseless assertion. There is no evidence of widespread election fraud in the 2020 election. This is Trump's Big Lie that is poisoning our democracy, doing a disservice to our country and sending a majority of Republicans into fantasy land.
  6. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Here is my understanding

    People reported that 100 or so batches of about 100 ballots each were assigned tracking number numbers but it was not properly recorded what machine,
    whether these mistakes more likely hurt the GOP or the Democrats doesn't mater for the discussion.
    Did these persons lie? NO Were they labeled as layers by Dem's Yes.
    The fact that eventually counted on only proves the people complained truthfully.
    So is for other reports of irregularities.
    Now I'm not in the encircle for all that is happening.Just posting what my personal perception is and what I hear from many of my colleagues and friends who are GOP voters and supporters.
    I also have very good friends and family who are devoted Democrats.
  7. SpoonyNix

    SpoonyNix Active Member

    Such interesting times.
  8. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Sorry, you're apparently mistaken again.

    The piece that you paraphrase was not public knowledge at least that is the reading of the article when it says.
    Just the News reviewed the documents Raffensperger's office collected from Fulton County during a risk-limiting audit conducted last November. Among the problems those memos exposed:

      • More than 100 batches of absentee ballots — each containing approximately 100 or more ballots — were assigned tracking numbers before being sent to one of the five absentee vote-counting machines in Fulton County but are not subsequently recorded in the handwritten logs showing which batches were scanned and counted, raising concerns the ballots may be missing.
    end quote

    Please point out the part of the article that seemed to indicate that it was even public information or anything else that you claimed.
  9. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Many people reported irregularities, their affidavits were dismissed.
    I refuse to believe that all of them are lying. Indeed eventually there were audit and recounts , so eventually results were verified, all the legal votes counted, accounted.
    That's all.
    People reported problems likely many I think were truthful.
    I think one reason for many of the people that complained officially by signing affidavits that no one went after them beside public shaming by media was that no one needed trial that could be opening a can of worms.
    Again I repeat I moved on. We have democratically elected President.
    Hope GOP will win 2022 house seats and 2024 Presidential elections.
    As to Senate many Senators are over 70 and while I wish everybody healthy long life we never know if a senator may have to leave the office for health or other reasons.
    Was it in 1953/54 when Sen. Lyndon Johnson of Texas was the Democratic leader?
    When Griswold died, Johnson suddenly had more Democratic votes than Republican votes on the Senate floor for the first time, though he did not take on the formal title of majority leader.
    So we never know when balance may change.
    Again I'm not wishing any thing ill to any of the senators.
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  10. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Okay, if that is all you're arguing then that is fine. I have no problem with that. It does no mean though that what you said before was true because what you said before was false. Note that the article does not even claim that 100 batches of 100 ballots were not counted only that the records for them was incomplete. Which is a LONG way from your false statement. Again, here is what you said.

    quote false statement:
    GA state also in their opinion looks like finally uncovering what many concerned citizens reported in Nov 2020.
    At the time Dems called these people liers.
  11. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I forgot the article, I will re read it and find what made me respond this way.
    Unless I used info from the related interview that I posted as well.

    I will check.
  12. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member but the article is actually old and not new. My mistake.
  13. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    "Many people believe" is not the same thing as "true".
  14. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I heard a statement on primetime cable news that a statement was made on OAN (One America News) something along the lines that after the Arizona audit report is released it will be obvious that Donald Trump was cheated out of the election. There was a call as part of this statement to have the 100's if not 1000's or even 10,000's of Democrats responsible should subsequently all be lined up and executed. This was not meant as a joke or anything like that. I found this hard to believe that responsible fellow Americans could really hold such views and publicly express such. I searched through and could find nothing like this. However, I then did a Google search and found this. So it is true!

    OANN is way worse than I feared. :-(
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  15. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    On the other hand I see President Biden willing to work with both sides, and actually working with both sides.
    He and his administration refuse to de-fund the police and actually going to put more funds to fight rise in crime.
    Center seems to hold on and not cave to radical left.
  16. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Meanwhile, President Biden has an average 53% approval rating according to That's pretty solid. Mr. Trump never reached 50% as far as I can recall. Trump was deeply unpopular throughout his term despite the fact that he did some stuff that should have pleased even the Left. I do think that he should have received at least an acknowledgement of his Administration's efforts with Operation Warp Speed to develop a Covid vaccine and there are a few other things I liked as well.

    I'm no mental health expert but I get the feeling that Trump kinda fell off an emotional cliff when his overwhelming loss became obvious. He simply can't let go even though his ongoing obsession is poisoning the future of the GOP.
  17. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Its not fair to compare such indicators, as President Trump had to deal with much more hostile press, media and establishment.
    The media is relatively easy on the President Biden. We see from what is broadcasters on TV that reporters go easy on Biden.
  18. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Not fair? I don't understand the comment. Are you claiming that the various polling organizations are lying? That Trump was more popular than their polling showed? Or that Biden is less popular than their polling showed? The results of the popular vote in November 2020 suggest that the pollsters had it more-or-less right. Why would you think otherwise?
  19. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Let me try to explain. It is unfair to compare Trump versus Biden popularity polls because Trump was treated poorly by everyone in the media (except for the right biased media). For example, when Trump claims without evidence that he won the election the media (except for the right biased media) will point out that there is no evidence to support his assertions. Other unfair things the media (except for the right biased media) would do is point out other lies that Trump would tell throughout his whole term! This made it very hard for Trump to warp the reality of people that listened to the media (except for right biased media). This all makes it very unfair to compare popularity polls because they tell the truth (unlike the right biased media).
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  20. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Bill its convenient for you to use Nov 2020 etc, but I'm referring to 2015 to 2020, the hostility by media was unprecedented, the Washington establishment with their accomplice the left media worked non stop to demonize President Trump.
    I saw a press release recently were reporters were asking light questions of President Biden barely chalanging him.
    I'm claiming that left media and the Washington establishment brainwashed the public with and demonized President Trump, from Russian spy to all kind of shameful lies.
    So the public minds were affected , more then that were poisoned against President Trump.
    As a result the poles reflected correctly as a lot of people were lead a stray by the drive by left media.
    Most of the main stream media is left. Add to this the Washington establishment they wanted Trump unseated by all means.

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