Republicans still believe Trump's election loss was the result of a rigged election

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  1. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/georgia-audit-documents-show-unsecured-missing-ballot-batches-ballots

    Interesting source of news. I didn't check them yet, but in search of truth.
    AllSides Gives Just the News a Center rating.

    Note that a Center bias does not necessarily mean a source is unbiased, neutral, or always reasonable. It simply means the source does not predictably publish opinions and content biased toward either side of the political spectrum.
     
  2. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    del
     
    Last edited: Jun 18, 2021
  3. Vonnegut

    Vonnegut Well-Known Member

    I wouldn’t stick by them if you’re searching for truth... John’s pretty darn biased, of questionable ethics, and a fairly devoted Trumpet. Before Fox News he had a bit of a stumble in the news paper world for ethics...
     
  4. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Here for comparison a Centrist site and Far right site reporting:

    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/georgia-audit-documents-show-unsecured-missing-ballot-batches-ballots

    https://rumble.com/viog63-episode-1029-the-constitutional-crisis.html

    Now ignoring the site, is the information is valid?

    It appears that State Judge didn't stop GA adult but collaborated.

    So is GA actually providing GA government documents.
     
  5. Vonnegut

    Vonnegut Well-Known Member

    If you're referring to the first site as a Centrist site... even though the founder of it is an extremely biased and devoted Trump fanatic who has a history of deception in news....

    ....why do we consider the second site to be Far-Right? You realize... it's the same person? Oh... and the My Pillow guy... because if you're going to go crazy... might as well go all out...

    [​IMG]
     
  6. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    :D

    So the messenger is shot.
    What about the message?

    What about the GA ?
     
  7. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member


    What about Georgia? Did you even read the article? The only really important paragraph in that whole article is this.

    quote:
    The secretary said he stands by his private monitor's assessment that fraud did not occur at a scale in Fulton County to impact the election's outcome, but he added the county's election management failures nonetheless warrant dramatic repair.

    Which raises the question in my mind why the word "significant" was included in the article title. "Georgia audit documents expose significant election failures in state's largest county"

    Oh, just another right biased media source producing MAGA porn is the obvious answer. Although admittedly done with far more journalism integrity that some of your other recent sources.
     
  8. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Lerner, the election was like 7 months ago. Since Trump started lying about the 2020 election well before the election even took place, Trumps lies about election fraud have been going on for at least a year now. So the right has had lots of time to put together a complete description about how this election fraud actually happened. Lots of effort has been put into this topic. multiple vote recounts done. In the battleground states So why don't you point me to the sensible website that paints the whole election fraud picture in a logical and rational manner? There is no such thing? Why is there no such thing. The reason there is no such thing is because ALL theories as to how Trump won this election but lost in the counting of votes have been proven false. There is no website explaining how Trump really won the election because he lost. It is that simple. Sorry the reality of the situation is so hard for Republicans to comprehend.
     
  9. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    GOP voters say its all
    Lawyer trick : keep the other side in defensive mode, disregard their attacks.

    We should be patient and wait for the discovery to be over.
    If there are no ill-regularities found, then they will accept Biden won in that state.

    They still remember fraudulent report from HC.
     
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  10. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

  11. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Narrator: "But they didn't...."
     
  12. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The sentence about being patient and waiting for discovery would be funny if it wasn't so sad. The only thing Democrats need to wait on is Republicans hopefully coming to their senses. The votes have already been counted and recounted, long ago. Proving that all the machines counts were proper and complete and proving that the first counts were good. The election has been certified. There is nothing left to discover or wait for. The election is over! The only thing left is delusions to be followed and MAGA porn to be shared.

    I have no clue what that last sentence is supposed to mean.
     
  13. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Republicans still believe Trump's election loss was the result of a rigged election.

    This is the name of this tread.
    I tried to answer.
     
  14. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Your answers make perfect sense within the context that "Republicans still believe Trump's election loss was the result of a rigged election". That is within the context that Trump is telling a lie that a good percentage of Republicans feel they have to believe. They really don't make sense within the context of reality.

    Let me ask another question, do you believe Trump's statement that in August he will be reinstated as President? Let me make this a little easier. Let's say that Cyber Ninja's makes the claim that they have proven election fraud like I described in an earlier post. They claim fraud proven because Biden ballots had been folded. Could this somehow lead to Trump being reinstated as President before 2025?
     
  15. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Sometimes calls for nuance and respect for alternative viewpoints are a distraction and a propaganda tool.

    Hey Lerner: Чей Крым? (from Russian: Which country does Crimea(n Peninsula) belongs to?)
     
  16. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    The simple answer:

    In 2014 it was officially part of Ukraine.
    Russia seized Crimea from Ukraine in an illegal move that violated the territorial integrity of Ukraine a sovereign country.
    It belonged to Ukraine.
    Today (like it or not) de-facto it belongs to Russia or RF.


    Longer answer:

    When arguing to whom belongs a peace of land on Earth I say it belongs to God and He gives it and takes away.
    Reality also demonstrates that land belongs for time range to occupiers and liberators all depends when in history one is looking and whose side one is taking.

    Many such disputes exist today, Jerusalem (East) before 1967 after 1967. Palestine an area called so by Greeks and Romans more then 2000 years ago, how many occupiers it knew?
    Assyrians, Greeks, Romans, Babylonians, Byzantine, Arabs, Crusades, Ottomans to name a few. Today its again Israel.
    Wars happen, borders change as a result of wars.

    Many Tatars who for centuries lived in Crimea under the Ottoman Empire until Catherine the Great annexed the region think Crimea belongs to them.
    In 1944, Stalin deported about 200,000 Tatars to Siberia and Central Asia, calling the ethnic Muslims traitors to the USSR and bringing in ethnic Russians to replenish the workforce.
    And after Stalin’s death, Soviet premier Nikita Khrushchev transferred Crimea to Ukraine in a move hailed as a “noble act on behalf of the Russian people.”

    It also depends on the people of the land, are they going to resist to the occupiers or willingly join them.
     
  17. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Bill,
    I moved on long time ago.
    I think GOP is obligated to it voters to legally and ethically audit the results of 2020 elections as long as the voters demand it.
    The only thing I thought is that if lets say in a State X, if proven that actually GOP won by major margin but the vote was given to Dem's.
    Then maybe there will be legal ground to take the case to court and argue that Senate seat should be given to GOP Senator? ( I have no idea if this is a possibility)

    As to Presidential elections, my though is that we will have regular cycle in 2024/25. The only change in presidents in the US before that is only if current president
    for some reason can't function, and VP etc takes the presidency. Which is the case for any President.
     
  18. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Active Member

    What if every single audit finds nothing amiss but "voters" still demand more audits and more recounts? At what point do you think they should stop? Keep going until the next election? Until 2050?
     
  19. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Until it stops working as a fundraising tactic for getting gullible marks to send money to grifting politicians.
     
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  20. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Gotcha.

    For reference: there is only one acceptable answer to that question: Крим - це Україна (Crimea is Ukraine). Anything other than that gives cover to Russia's terrorist tactics (even if one concedes it was "illegal"). This is a simple test to determine whether it is even worth to engage one in discussion. This works in UAnet/RUnet; an American not from these corners might be legitimately clueless.

    I suggest "who won 2020 Presidential Elections in US?" is precisely such a question in US forums. Anything other than unqualified "Joserp R. Biden" or "Biden/Harris" is wrong.
     

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