Republicans still believe Trump's election loss was the result of a rigged election

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  1. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    And yes the Universities - the factories of Marxists Socialists. Multi year indoctrination of young brains to Democratic Socialism, based on godless Marxism that has resulted in catastrophic failure with over 100 million people murdered by their governments in the 20 th century alone, with millions more living in poverty and misery whenever and wherever it’s been tried? Venezuela is a current example.
    And if you mention Canada, well last time I checked while they have good welfare system,
    They are not qualified to be labeled as socialist.
    Canada is a Social democracy – a capitalist multi-party state with socialist policies to improve the quality of life. Canada seems to have found the blend of socialism and capitalism that works for them.
    Under socialism, high-quality education would be free to all to ensure zero discrimination amongst the people. However, Canada does not have free education. The education sector is mixed with for profit in many areas and thus is very firmly capitalist!
    Canada has private ownership. Socialism does not believe in private ownership of any kind, but Canada still has a private business, land ownership, and private schools, and hospitals. Canada has a whole thriving private sector, so it can’t be truly socialist!
    Canada is still a free market regardless of how good its welfare and benefits systems are. A core principle of socialism is that people have control of enterprise and production.
    Canada does not have this system as the state only controls around 35 percent of the market (rather than the minimum 80 percent seen under socialism).
    And there’s a big problem with using those Nordic countries as examples of the socialist utopias that America should emulate according to the "factories" that mold young brains.

    Why should Conservatives have larger presence at these "Factories" is because American Conservatism, some what promoted by Republicans and founded on Biblical principles that have resulted in the greatest country the USA.
     
  2. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Active Member

    Acts 2:42-47, 4:32-37

    Those are real Biblical principles which the US ought to have been founded on.
     
  3. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    It's politics, Lerner. In some ways, Trump is a political genius but in other ways he's clueless. You don't deliberately alienate any voting bloc if you can help it. You sure don't try to build a majority by demonizing wide swaths of Americans if you want to win a national election. It IS a popularity contest. Trump lost a free and fair election in 2020. That's all there is to it.
     
  4. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    USA was built on the Biblical and some would say Biblical/Christinan and even Biblical/Judeo-christian principles.

    I'm not a Christian theologian but what you are pointing to is inspiring and valid during infancy of early church when the inspired christian community just began in it formation days.
    They willingly sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need. They all contributed based on their God given gifts.
    As a temporary "startup" this communal living was required for the young Jerusalem church that was lead by Yakov /James(The Just) to survive.

    The concept of the communal living mentioned in the book of Acts was already existing in the Yahad community of the exiled from Temple Zadokite priests living in Qumran community.
    Some arguably call then Esseans.
    Communal living does have its place. Nuclear families sort of live communally. In functional families, however, the parents are in charge.
    Interestingly to me is the formation of the new Jewish settlement in the holy land by Jews escaping pogroms among other and of the state of Israel also seen the first kibbutz, established in 1909.

    Britannica:

    "From the colonial era on, the United States has had a rich array of self-contained utopian communities, walled off from the mainstream of life and dedicated to pursuing various notions of individual and collective perfection. Although economic factors often made such projects unsustainable in the long term and members tended to float away over time, some utopian and experimental communities left significant marks on American life. The impulse to gather together with groups of like-minded people in the hope of discovering better ways of living still exists today, embodied in a diverse array of groupings, including communes, eco-villages, survivalist camps, religious communities, and mystical retreats."
     
  5. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The 2020 election is convenient to use because it is a good example of what went on throughout ex-President Trump's Presidency. Trump made over 30,000 false and misleading statements during his one term and almost half of those statements were made in the last year. (See thread in this forum.) Trump labeled the media "enemy of the people" during his term and he treated them with contempt far beyond any other administration. So, any hostility the media expressed against Trump was well earned.

    Your assertion that it is unfair to compare Trump popularity polls with other presidents doesn't make any sense. The popularity of politicians is important for many reasons. An election is essentially a popularity contest. Also how popular politicians are is a partial measure of the power that they can wield in the political arena, as just two examples as to why the presidential popularity polls have real world consequences. Your assertions to the contrary are without merit.
     
  6. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    The real state of affairs

     
  7. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The media hostility against Kamala Harris is unprecedented in the history of the vice Presidency. (Note: this is a sarcastic statement really making fun of your previous assertions about Trump being treated unfairly by the media. Thank you for the excellent example that demonstrates how incorrect your previous assertions actually was that only poor Trump was treated so badly.)
     
  8. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Speaking of the Veep's visit here, one Mexican paper couldn’t resist the joke. They pronounce her name "Que mala" Harris.

    I don't think they mean anything by it though.
     
  9. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    one is based on facts we have 5 years of history.
    The other based on coverup of border crisis..
     
  10. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    BTW by mow I expected the Dreamers would have a path to permanent residence status and eventually citizenship.
    I fully understand that this action will encourage migration end contribute to the crisis at border..
    Still my personal opinion this should never been an issue to begin with and these group of people who I view as Americans.
    Especially the ones who staid out of trouble.
    As to non citizens I think I would provide them with work permits at the minimum.
     
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  11. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Yes 5 years of pathological lying. 5 years of complaining by the PRESIDENT of the United States States, the most powerful man in the world, had some mean things said about him by some journalist. 5 years of the right biased media doing EXACTLY what you accuse the left biased media of doing. The main difference between left biased media and right biased media being that you and the right are being hypocritical about it and denying or not wanting to recognize that the right is doing the exact same things.

    The truth about the border crises is that it has been an on going crisis for decades now. Trump's evil and racist solutions like separating families was worse than the problem. The main difference in the border crises though is that during the last administration you only heard glowingly positive things said about the administration on the right biased media. Now you only hear scathingly negative coverage of the border crises during this administration.
     
  12. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I agree that many in the mainstream media hated him. But for the most part, they reported shameful truths, of which Trump supplied plenty.
     
  13. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    And yet, in the Treaty of Tripoli of 1796, it says, "The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."
     
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  14. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    ...thus disproving the ridiculous notion that the modern Democratic party pushes for anything like "socialism". Reminder: a guy who is named "Greatest Canadian" by a poll of Canadians, Tommy Douglas, was basically more successful and more left-wing Bernie Sanders. Tommy's push for Medicare For All ultimately resulted in, well, all Canadians having access to Medicare. So to recoup, Canada is farther to the left than what the left-most mainstream Democrats call for, and yet is CLEARLY not a socialist country. They lie to you, Lerner.
     
  15. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Biden is consistently calling for Ukraine to reform institutions and tackle corruption. Trump successfully bribed Poroshenko with Javelins, so Ukraine would shelve investigation into Manafort. And then famously tried to bribe Zelensky to announce phoney baloney Burisma investigation. Tried to bribe him with money Congress already gave to Ukraine, no less.
    Simple folk think Trump is a bigger or stronger friend of Ukraine, because Javelins. Fact is, short period of time Obama admin (with Biden on point) was able to apply pressure to Poroshenko was the most effective period of reforms in Ukraine history, giving us Association Agreement and visa-free travel with the EU (for non-Ukies here: these are a kind of big deal).
     
  16. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I had not previously heard that. So I did a Google search and sure enough, there were many hits.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/02/world/europe/ukraine-mueller-manafort-missiles.html

    I'm not the least bit surprised. It just goes to show you though that there was so much nefarious dealings and bad actions by that traitor that something like this that would have likely been enough to bring down any other administration didn't even even make it to the level of being known by me!(or Lerner, HAHAHA)
     
  17. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    The 13 colonies belonging to the British Empire, whose king presided over an imperial church, so British citizens residing in those colonies lived under Christian rule.
    Those colonies were founded as outposts of a Christian nation.
    Also Christian ideas were one of the important intellectual influences on the Founders. Founding was deeply shaped by Judeo-Christian moral truths. Virtually all of the Founders were devout, orthodox Christians who consciously drew from their religious convictions to answer most political questions.
    And yes some wanted and advocating strong separation while others less.
    So in a way its both depends on how one rationalizes it.
     
  18. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Didn't Dems planned to offer Higher Education free?
    Will this happen its another story but campaigning on it good or bad demonstrate one of the Marxist signs.

    Helping unemployed with government checks is good but using this to hurt businesses

     
  19. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Active Member

    No. https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/religion/news/2008/01/08/3794/the-founding-fathers-religious-wisdom/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_George_Washington

    http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/portal/communities/pa-heritage/religion-early-politics-benjamin-franklin.html

    https://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/jeffersons-religious-beliefs

    https://www.loc.gov/loc/madison/hutson-paper.html

    https://www.vqronline.org/essay/religion-james-monroe

     
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  20. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    All good information, and yes these debates are still political until this day, its all about which side of the debate one takes.
    Even if you find that one of the founders was less devoted orthodox then others its not changing the bigger picture.
    And today in the choice voter have they know which side promotes Godlessness.
     

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