Northcentral U. achieves initial regional accreditation today

Don't you all think its time to stop this bickering and get back to the thread topic?

 

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Rich, I am not angry at you! I am not angry with anyone except Gus and this email clearly defines my reasons. I have however held you accountable for your previous statement regarding the NCU and SCUPS relationship related to RA. I’m sorry that you made this statement and it appears you too are sorry you ever made this statement. Don’t’ forget John Bear frequently reminds people of unfavorable comments they make. If I remember correctly, John Bear reported that at one time a CCU official admitted to him that in the early days CCU operated not unlike a degree mill. This might be true, and John Bear will tell you it is and it might just be. If this report is true then John did nothing more.

Related to your attack that I’ve aligned myself with several doctorate programs. Yes, I have been enrolled in NCU, CCU and now ACCS. But I was not invited to resign from any of them. You too have been admitted to three programs. Union, MIGS and Union again. If I remember correctly you and Dr. Steve had words over why you were dismissed or was asked to withdraw from Union the first time around. I think it’s common knowledge that you and MIGS agreed the time was right for you to withdraw. Be careful, calling the kettle black!

 

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Gus, has reported -- again inaccurately -- that I withdrew from Northcentral before NCA candidacy was awarded, only to regret having done so. Gus, go check the dates on any of my previous posts and you’ll see that I withdrew from the NCU Ph.D. program during NCA candidacy, PERIOD! Of course I regretted having to withdraw from an RA program for which I was only being charged $120.00 per semester hour. But I didn’t have a choice since the course format did not meet my needs. Gus, what did I do wrong here? You continue to bring this up so PLEASE respond.

Gus does nothing more than purposely misconstrue the truth.
For example, Gus has lied on several occasions, by reporting that I have referred to myself as “Doctor.” I have NEVER identified myself with this title. However, after enrolling in my doctorate program at ACCS, I updated my signature line -- please refer to the bottom of this email -- and listed D.Min, Christian Counseling, ACCS. I failed to include In-progress. Once called to my attention I immediately made this change. Gus, thinks that this simple, innocent error as his stomp on which to stand when referencing this issue. I challenge Gus to provide any evidence to the contrary. Please Gus, provide any other evidence to the contrary? You can’t! Just like Bill Huffman stated in another post, you don’t always tell the whole story.

I did enroll in CCU’s Psy.D. program and completed two courses, both which I have applied the credits toward CEU’s of one of my professional certifications. I have no regret regarding this program. I learned a great deal and was able to use the credits for CEU’s. It was called to my attention -- thankfully so -- that the CCU Psy.D. degree would create an ethical issue related to one of my certifications. I did the only right thing to do by immediately withdrawing from this program. At about his point, I gave some brief thought -- which I shared with Degree info -- to the CCU DBA program, but decided against this program. Gus, will say that I wanted to be able to use the title of “Doctor” but this is not accurate and no where will Gus, be able to provide evidence other than his opinion. What is wrong with what I did? Please tell me Gus! You see Gus, several doctorate degrees would meet my needs. Some of the majors include organizational psychology, counseling of any type, general psychology, management. You want to paint a picture of a man who is confused, but I am not. You see my biggest need is the distance model, so in searching for a doctorate degree I am forced to accept what I could find. I never considered any degree program unrelated to my professional practice, such as history or mathematics but you’d like people to think I’m confused because I have more than one interest area and professional need.

BTW Gus, I know Ms. Miller might elect to read this NG. You have nothing to lose by posting inaccuracies do you? I on the other hand will be submitting an application to Ms. Miller sometime in the relative near future.

 

Gus is right. You do have a penchant for twisting the facts (or simply creating them) to meet your needs. You are absolutely, 100% mistaken that MIGS had anything to do with my disassociating with them. That was my decision, and it came as a bit of a surprise to them. Where do you even get the basis to form that conclusion? As for the Union, I withdrew because of some pretty severe family troubles. Steve was critical because he felt I should have found a way through them; no excuse and all that. He was right, but you're not.

Wes, you're worse than a liar. You're a cheat. And a petty one at that.

 

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To Gus & DWCox, I also withdrew from Northcentral -- also during candidacy -- also because I found the program did not meet my needs.

Now, what are we to make of that?

Bill Hurd

AA, BS, MBA

 

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Wes, I don't know if you do it on purpose or if your mental facilities are malfunctioning but, you seem to frequently misrepresent the truth. For example see above. Another example is your unbelievable claims as to what Rich and John said regarding NCU. You keep making the same misrepresentation that they both absolutely stated what the future would hold and giving a twisted reason for it. It is unbelievable to me on the surface that they would have said this in the first place and then after they clarify your misrepresentation, you continue to repeat the old lie. It appears to me to be the same thing with Gus and Ms. Miller.

Like I said, I don't know whether you do it on purpose or not but I can't imagine that either way it indicates that there's much chance that you could ever be a decent professional counselor. Perhaps you should consider an alternative?

 

Rich! Rich! Rich!

Substitute the name Rich for Wes in the above quote and we would hear screaming as if it were coming from a perforated pork.

The conductor would be queing the string section at this very moment.

 

To Wes, Gus, Rich, Dennis: Time out guys. This thread has degenerated into insults and epithets intended to severely hurt the feelings of each of the disputants. I hope that the moderators will pull the plug on this thread.

Ike

 

But it's Ms. Miller's fault!

 

Dennis is right for calling me on the tenor of my statement, but the fact remains that Wes dragged my name into this with false innuendo regarding my well-documented involvement (by me and by others, including Gus) with MIGS, along with some feeble attempt to discredit me (and John) regarding our opinions about NCU. (As if either of us were never wrong before!)

I couldn't care less about the argument between Wes and Gus. But when Wes uses me to grasp some straws in his dispute with Gus, well, it's just unnecessary.

Maybe calling Wes a liar and a cheat is too strong. But Wes IS lying, and he is cheating intellectually. Perhaps these are just mistakes anyone is entitled to. But he ought to cut it out once it's been pointed out. I'm sick of reading it when my name is used.

 

Wes, seek help.

I’m sorry Wes, I understand that you are now deeply concerned that officials from the Tennessee Board for Professional Counselors, Marital and Family Therapists, and Clinical Pastoral Therapists – Division of Health Related Boards might be monitoring this forum (and your posts in particular) and are therefore in full damage control mode.

Unfortunately, posts cannot be edited after 10 minutes have elapsed, and it is a simple matter to select an individual’s post, click on the button labeled “search” (the one next to the one labeled “buddy” at the bottom of the post) to have DegreeInfo’s excellent search engine bring up every message that individual has ever posted. As such, any attempts to rewrite history are doomed to failure.

I don’t believe that I ever said you withdrew from Northcentral before NCA candidacy was awarded. What I said (and perhaps I should have phrased it better) was that you regretted your decision to withdraw from because NCU had achieved candidacy for regional accreditation. I apologize if my poor wording led anyone to the completely irrelevant conclusion that you dropped out of NCU before it became a candidate. But as long as you brought up the subject, can you see how your constant harping against Dr. Bear and Rich Douglas on their having expressed doubts as to NCU’s ability to achieve regional accreditation candidacy might lead others to believe that you dropped out of NCU because you were influenced by their decision? And if that isn’t your implication, why do you constantly bring it up?

You continue to bolster my belief that you simply don’t comprehend what you read. The only times I have brought up your withdrawal from NCU is in response to your touting your research skills and the fact that you have thoroughly “done your homework’ as support for contending that a specific program or credential will satisfy all of your needs. Personally, I don’t care whether your educational choices meet your particular needs or not, but when you post your erroneous assumptions as fact in a public forum, your averments have the potential to mislead and cause irreparable to harm others.

Wes, your unprofessional and indecorous behavior is extremely unbecoming. I have, until now, treated you with respect and in a gentlemanly manner, yet you insist on impugning my credibility and maligning my reputation. Point to one instance (much less several occasions) where I have reported that you have referred to yourself as “Doctor.” This is about the fourth or fifth time you have called me a liar, without providing any specifics or proof. I have asked that you provide a link to a thread, post or even a direct quote, or alternatively a retraction and apology. You have failed to do so. Earlier you asked for evidence of unethical behavior. Well, this is it.

Oh, I get it: NEVER, except that one time.

Do you remember who called it to your attention? Moreover, if you recall, even the designation “in-progress” was inaccurate, being that you had only decide to enroll that morning, and needless to say, ACCS had not yet received your transcripts. Only a degree mill would accept and enroll an individual without a thorough review of all (you did send them transcript from CCU and the one from NCU with the sole grade of “W”, right?) official transcripts, and ACCS is no mill.

Evidence to what? That you have referred to yourself as “Doctor?” Aside from the above self-incriminating statement, why should I? Contrary to your asseveration, I have never asserted that you have. First you concoct a yarn, and then you want me to disprove it by providing evidence of something that doesn’t exist except in your own mind?

Gus will say? (Your posts are replete with assumptions and predictions rivaling those of Ms. Cleo. ) I am sure you can logically explain how an individual who has considered or enrolled in programs leading to a Ph.D., Psy.D., D.B.A. and now a D.Min. is not desirous of, or wants to be able to use, the title “Doctor.”

Let’s see, you are willing to accept what you can find as long as it fits the distance model and is a doctoral degree. How about your own words as proof that you want to be able to use the title “Doctor?”

I see. So how does that justify your attack on my credibility at all costs, including your own?

What you fail to realize, Wes, is that it is your own words; your demeanor; your inept grasp of the English language and grammar; your paucity of logic; your inability to conduct competent research; your lack of empathy or compassion; your aggression and vitriol; and your total disregard for the value of ethics and honesty that will what will jeopardized your chances for licensure more than anything anyone on this or any other forum can do or say.

It just might be, Wes, that your only hope now is to have all your posts on DegreeInfo deleted. Perhaps if you were to approach Chip with a sizeable donation…

 

Gus: "It just might be, Wes, that your only hope now is to have all your posts on DegreeInfo deleted. Perhaps if you were to approach Chip with a sizeable donation…"

Rich: I didn't know degreeinfo was an accreditor....

 

Ethics

Isn't the definition of ethics for licensing pretty much limited to acts that have been proven in a court of law or other empowered tribunal.

That jousting with someone in a thoroughly ridiculous argument on a thoroughly ridiculous internet forum could relate to ethics is thoroughly ridiculous.

 

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Ridiculous? Maybe. Unlikely? Maybe not so.

If I were to post, on this forum, in my true name, a manifesto espousing the overthrow of the United States Government by force and arms, and further suggesting that the Supreme Court should be gibbeted and left for the crows as prelude to the bloody purges to come-- starting with the lawyers, and progressing quickly to the theologians- then yes: It would be ridiculous. (And so would I. I'd much rather be villified for something I actually believe.)

But when some public-spirited soul sent a copy of that manifesto to the Bar Admissions folks in Trenton contemporaneously with my application for admission to the Bar, I would probably join the ranks of Those With Law Degrees But No License-- with or without a finding by a court that I was philosophically disposed against the Constitution.

Does this inane debate fit the same mold? Depends on what the folks in Tennessee think. In this age of instant access to everything by way of the Web, I don't know that I'd want to find out.

 

Only speculation, but I would guess there are dozens, if not hundreds, of people who publicly called for the overthrow of the US government, who are practicing lawyers.

Since every second person in the US seems to be a lawyer, I imagine that inumerable revolutionaries from the 1960s and 70s are well respected lawyers and even judges.

 

Did you Withdraw from NCU Ph.D.?

Hi folks
I am watching NCU regarding initial accreditation in March, 2003. I was interested in it before, but it wasn't accredited so I steered away from it.

My question is for those of you on this board who started credentials there but withdrew. If possible, could you tell me why you withdrew? How did the program not meet your needs, etc.?

I may find such info useful when I make some choices next year...

Karen B

 

I think this thread needs to be redirected in a constructive way.

Early on the possibility of large donations, country clubs, and accreditation was bruited about. Here's the deal. I am pastor of a small rural church and could sure use some (US) money. Send me (personally, not the church) large donations. No, you don't get a fake degree, magic prayer cloths, mystic oil, or anything else, just the satisfaction of making a Carpathian peasant's drab and wretched life a bit more solvent.

There is a really big back yard that runs all the way to the railroad tracks and has coyotes and snowmobilers. For an additional large donation (I believe the figure of $500,000 was on the table earlier) you can become a charter member of the Carpathia Country Club, of which yours truly is the official chaplain. You can do anything you want in the back yard except hit golf balls toward the church windows. Make yourself the coyotes' and snowmobilers' problem. Think of the country club as your second home, second childhood, or whatever you like.
Mi caca es su caca, as they say.

Finally I will give you an authentic unaccredited degree, which is better than an inauthentic accredited one. Please bear in mind that this is a gift, not a purchase. We wouldn't want to do anything unethical or corrupt, even though the Bible speaks of purchasing oneself a good degree, or something like that. No money will change hands in exchange for your free degree. There are no fake transcripts, no Liverpool stickers on anything's hind end, no confusing geographical names or pesky accreditation agencies. This is just you and me, several empty glasses of tuica, a pile of crayons, and a graphics program I hope you know how to work on my computer 'cause I don't.

Yours,
Uncle Janko
Registrar, Northcentral Van Buren County University
d/b/a/ Carpathia Country Club, etc., usw., ktl.

 

Re: Wes, seek help.

 

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Please forgive me, I am all in favor of open admissions, but to accept and enroll a student into a doctoral program based on nothing more than a phone call and the funds clearing sure seems like degree mill behavior to me. It seems that ACCS might want to modify their admissions procedures (or control the behavior of an errant counselor) so as not to appear so money hungry. It is activities such as these that lend credence to those who believe that the criticism of TRACS is not all that undeserved…

Then again, perhaps it is because of these kinds of activities that many licensing boards only explicitly accept regionally accredited degrees, and will scrutinize any other form of accreditation.

 

Quick Admissions

I have a certain involvement in retail. A customer who is going to "think about it" is usually a lost customer. Getting them to put some amount of money down usually means you will be seeing them again.

Giving someone a conditional acceptance, subject to document verification is a good way to make the student commit. It's just good business.