Migration policies are failing, migrants are strugling - ‘broken’ national immigration system

Your assertion doesn't make sense to me. Perhaps a lone wolf bad guy coming across the border. What's he going to do? Buy an AK47 and commit mass murder. We have about a half dozen mass murders every week more than we can keep track of already. Mostly or significantly right-wing extremists murdering their fellow citizens.

If it is a planned terrorist attack like 9/11 it doesn't make any sense to me. Why take the chance of blowing up the whole plan by catching them in the country as illegal aliens. It would make far more sense to get them into the country legally.

 

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, I agree that our immigration laws are broken. The laws haven't been updated in decades. Our laws need to be updated for the new times that we are in now. Republicans are against fixing our immigration laws because immigration is a HUGE trigger point for their base. It activates the Republican base. They blame all kinds of things on immigration. They are apparently scaring the Republican base by claiming that terrorists are pouring across the border. At least that is what Trump says and what Lerner seems to believe without ANY evidence.

 

So? They're still being stopped at the land border. The higher the number of bad guys stopped at the land border, the more the border is working. Republicans want you to think the opposite. The Republican news sources will look at the statistics of, say, 5 people being stopped during Trump's time in office and 30 people being stopped during Biden's tenure and cry that Biden needs to DO SOMETHING. He is. Or else the people wouldn't be stopped in the first place.

Higher numbers are not always bad things.

 

Can you see how many migrants are crossing the border in to the US?
Thousands are not being stopped.
How many hostiles didn't get stopped? The agencies have the evidence of hostiles here.
If one is on terrorist watch list and wants to come to the US or Canada, they will cross the border.

 

Can you see how political rhetoric from Trump (and the other Republican candidates) charges up the Republican base? It's almost like magic. Little to no evidence just rhetoric and the Republican base gets charged up and is ready for war. Or even murder, like the 71 year-old man in Illinois that stabbed the 6 year-old boy 26 times. He got charged up after listening to Republican talk radio. He murdered that poor little 6 year-old boy because the little boy was Palestinian. He also stabbed the boy's Palestinian mother and tried to kill her too.

Now to be fair, the Democratic base has our own hot button issues right now. Like an overriding concern for our democracy being under attack by the other major party in this country. I think there is plenty of evidence supporting that concern though.

 

I researched this a little after I posted. A "mass shooting" is 4 or more injured not including the shooter(s). Getting a breakdown of shooter makeup was very difficult for me to find. There doesn't seem to be any good data on that. Perhaps because categorizing all the unique cases and situations would be so difficult. My guess in the post was based on the FBI warning about right-wing extremists posing particular danger as potential domestic terrorists. Anyway the only large population percentage I found for mass shooter profile was that over two thirds of mass shooters had a history of domestic violence and/or were committing domestic violence in their mass shooting. Not very enlightening for this conversation but interesting even though not really surprising if you think about it.

 

Europe and UK view
Opinion:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/17/brussels-terror-attack-illegal-migration-threat/

 

I'd like to think it's rare, Steve - but it isn't. MANY people think they cease to be immigrants once their feet touch the soil of their adoptive land. I've seen it since boyhood. It hardly takes a few years for one wave of immigrants to develop prejudice against the next group, who are from somewhere else. Sometimes - no time at all, because they were prejudiced against people of that colour, religion or nation in their old country.

NOTE; I'M NOT SUGGESTING LERNER IS ONE OF THESE. PEOPLE SEEM TO GET THIS WAY FOR MANY REASONS -- OR NO APPARENT REASON AT ALL.

And it's still here today - in lamentable numbers. Conversation between two 80-year-olds in a mall, summer of 2022. One of them was a European immigrant, got here 45-50 years ago. The other was me. I'll let you guess who was who.

"We don't get good immigration, any more. Just "garbage" people -- like Blacks and Syrians..."
"Did you just say Blacks and Syrians were "garbage" people?"
"Well, yeah.... They don't work...."
"F.U!" (Gets up and leaves).

There are thousands of 'em, Steve. Sick bastards. And young haters comin' up right behind 'em. What's that old CSNY song? Oh yeah - "Teach your Children Well." These folks taught them - but not well.

 

For me, I'm pro immigration and for compassionate approach. Even when our daughter was in classroom of 60 students, or wait times and capacity in hospitals are growing. We remember, value and thankful for what USA did for us.
Plans and actions to accommodate and provide work permits, healthcare and schools etc has to be planned activity that is protecting the citizens of the country and migrants, be it in EU or US etc.
Political bipartisan action is needed.

 

Tensions rise between new and established migrants

"Tensions are reaching a fever pitch between newly arrived migrants and longtime immigrant and minority communities over perceptions of unfair distribution of government benefits.

The frustration, which is centered in big cities, is twofold: Many undocumented and mixed-status families feel overlooked as new arrivals become eligible for work permits, and in many communities of color, spending on shelter for asylum-seekers is viewed in contrast to scarcity in other social programs.

“The narrative out there has been somewhat distorted to present the picture where it looks like new immigrants are living in plush conditions. That’s not the case. They’re undergoing very difficult conditions,” said New York Rep. Adriano Espaillat (D)."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/tensions-rise-between-established-migrants-180000178.html

 

A very interesting article and on topic for the thread, thank you for linking it.

I hope that elected Republicans stop bad mouthing immigrants. This great country was built by immigrants. Immigrants are still key to our success and
economic strength. I'm afraid that we won't see any turn around on this from elected Republicans until Trump is out of the picture. Unfortunately, I'm afraid that isn't going to be enough though?

 

Might be enough - if Trump takes Abbott and DeSantis with him...

 

Well, elected Republicans would sometimes bad mouth immigrants prior to Trump. Trump raised it to a whole new level. It's been a hot button political issue for decades now.

quote:
Abstract
The success of Donald Trump’s anti-immigrant campaign surprised many. But I show that it was actually a continuation of a long-standing Republican strategy that has targeted immigrants and minorities for over five decades. It is not only a long-term strategy but also a widely successful one. Analysis of the vote over time shows clearly that White Americans with anti-immigrant views have been shifting steadily toward the Republican Party for decades. The end result is a nation divided by race and outcomes that often favor Whites over immigrants and minorities.


https://www.amacad.org/publication/immigration-origins-white-backlash

 

Well, I guess it's hopeless, then.... right?

 

It is still a good fight. The arc of justice is long but bends towards justice. For example

quote:
While non-Hispanic White Americans under 18 in the U.S. are already a minority as of 2020, it is projected that non-Hispanic Whites overall will become a minority within the US by 2045.

P.S. My kids are all half Mexican, born to an immigrant mother, so I'm doing my part. When Trump said that immigrants were poisoning our blood I congratulated them for all doing so well in life in spite of their poisoned blood. Although in subsequent conversations I admit that we couldn't figure out what poisoned blood really meant in this case. I have a daughter in med school and she promised to let us know what it means when she takes the poisoned blood class.

 

A record number of Indian asylum seekers are crossing the United States-Mexico border, contributing to the challenges faced by the Biden administration in controlling illegal border crossings.

Indian migrants: Around 42,000 Indian migrants have crossed the southern border illegally in the fiscal year from October to September, more than double the previous year, according to data released last month by the U.S. Customs and Border Protection. An additional 1,600 Indians have also entered from the northern border, which is four times the number in the last three years combined, reported the Wall Street Journal.

Legal pathways for Indians entering the U.S. are also strained, with long wait times for visas and green cards. Some Indian migrants seek asylum due to political and religious persecution, while others come for economic reasons. Many reportedly sell their possessions to fund their journey with the help of professional smugglers. But the journey is perilous, leading to tragic deaths.

 

You'll get no argument from me.

As an explanation, it would make me sad to have to leave Johann on a hopeless note in this thread. Pushing the timeline out into the future using the bogeyman that seems to worry many racists seemed somehow apropos.