Masters Propio (ENEB, etc)

I'm not disagreeing with anything, other than the assertion you made that fake degrees have no use other than their inclusion in a signature line. This is false.

You seem to be confusing a statement of fact I made with some sort of advocacy. You also seem to think you're in an argument with me. You're not.

 

ok. I think to clear this whole thing up, I will amend my original statement to add…. For me… they have no use other than a signature line in an unofficial capacity.

I wasn’t trying to make a deep generalized statement about their existence and so-called “use” by other people.

 

I believe NIU has a double degree agreement with San Miguel and CESB that are accredited in Mexico. Similar deal with CLEA
"Los programas que se ofrecen a los hispanos que viven en los Estados Unidos, son programas internacionales con doble titulación y títulos primarios de universidades que tienen un registro en las instituciones que rigen la educación superior en cada uno de los países de origen."

It looks like the strategy is to issue an American degree cobranded with Mexican and a Colombian school for credibility. Maybe a copy cat of Azteca with other schools.



USM y CESB, están registradas en la secretaria de educación pública de México y la Universidad de San José en el ministerio de educación en Colombia.

 

NIU appears to have no American degree-granting authority.

 

Neither ENEB, how different is from the deal with ENEB and Isabel? This a similar deal with NIU and the Mexican universities.

 

Because ENEB exists in a system where an unaccredited school delivering content and an accredited one awarding the degree is allowed.

NIU does not.

 

I disagree, the US system allows the existence of non accredited schools. There are threads and thousands of discussions about this. Just in California, professional associations are allowed to grant unaccredited degrees.

 

Some states allow unaccredited schools. I don't know of any state that allows you to study at an unaccredited school and receive an accredited degree from a different school.

NIU also doesn't appear on the CA BPPE list of approved schools. Degree-granting authority is a specific right in the US and they don't have it.

 

Oh well, they just need to open a church and call them ethereal masters degrees. Problem solved.

 

¿Caso cerrado? Not really. Ethereal or not - they're STILL not accredited in the temporal, i.e. "real" world.. Legal, possibly - but accredited - no. Not even if the church-or-whatever is "accredited by the Lord Jesus Christ" Himself. We had one Uni-meister who claimed that, a few years back - it no fly. This is getting silly. A bit of fun, yeah -- but still silly.

 

"For me" doesn't change anything. You cannot change a fact into an opinion and then negate the fact by disagreeing with the opinion.

There are assertions (facts) and what you make of them (assessments). I offered the former as a counterpoint to yours. That's all.

 

OK. Honestly, You make no sense to me. You are taking whatever I say and turning it into way more than it needs to be. I am not writing a thesis, or a scholarly article or whatever. I don’t need someone splitting hairs over “facts” and “assessments”. Good grief. I still have no idea what you are talking about.

 

OK, I give up. I will never share a flippant comment or opinion here again. Apparently you have to be 100% factual and have a doctorate to converse. Good grief.

 

I heard something once described as TBU - true but useless. Rich's comment that a fake degree can mislead and therefore have value is true, but it's useless when discussing the true advantages of a degree in the way most of us think of here (learning new skills, developing as a professional, entering into some kind professional practice, etc.) I think the confusion here is applying two different standards of use. I consider a fake degree useless in someone's professional life because they've learned nothing, but they don't see it that way because they still get hired, and so on.

 

Thank you! THAT makes sense.

 

It's okay. It's not important that you do. My goal was to counter your statement with what is actually going on. The rest of this has been your reaction. All I've done is re-state my original point.

 

Whatever dude. Glad you got to feel important.

 

This is an extreme reaction to your own postings, not mine.

You posted something false and I countered it with facts. Everything else has been about how you don't understand. I agree; you don't. I didn't know that, but you successfully convinced me.

Flippant? Sure, I'd agree with that. Doesn't reduce the need to counter it, though. Ignoring the problem doesn't make it go away. Fake degrees are incredibly useful. If they weren't people wouldn't spend a billion dollars a year on them. And they work, too. It's worth keeping that in mind instead of casually dismissing it. Or flippantly.

Finally, you certainly have the freedom to post or not post what you want. But when you do, others have an equal right to respond.

 

And now it's personal. Please don't do that.