Masters Propio (ENEB, etc)

Well, as we are here to bash more unaccredited schools, I just received today another propio deal with Universitary institute for progress

https://eudesuniversitas.com/master-universitario-en-psicologia-clinica-y-de-salud/

The school is California, it copies the NIU model of just registering a company in the US to grant degrees. This is more clever because it avoids the word university and now it is universitary.

https://uip.university/

I will be surprised if CLEA, San Miguel, NIU, etc are still in business in 10 years from now. We concentrate too much on the legality but in reality they are just cash cows, sell few thousand papers and then disappear.
I completed a DECT accredited diploma from a school in Canada in computer repair back in the 90s, the diplomas ha no value now but I guess I should be proud that was not unaccredited.

 

Yeah. They are NOT clever. We know them. They use "Universitas" in their name, which is Latin for University. I wouldn't have known "Universitary" from "suppository." So I looked it up - "related to a University." "Related" isn't good enough to award degrees. Masstercursos sells stuff from EudesUniversitas. Their degree-looking papers have been pronounced useless here because they are NOT a University. The stuff we discussed was a two-fer. You got your Masstercursos diploma and for an extra 299 Euro. you get another - an endorsement, or cross-validation of some kind from EudesUniversitas. Two bad papers - no real degree.

This whole business is so full of fraud and deceit, I think shady operators are giving Spanish schools a bad name they don't deserve.

 

They have now a 25% off deal so you can get a prestigious masters for under 230 euros with double degree. I guess if I get it, I would need to trash the evil Universitary degree because is American and just keep the Spanish one because that one is nice and compliant with the law.
I like the Master of Arts degree so I will list it as MA, Eudes Universitas (Spanish propio degree compliant with the Spanish law).
The Evil Universitary degree would make a nice papel wall in my office.

 

I don't think ANY computer repair diploma from the 90s has any value. No more XTs or 286's and I took my last 386 to the dump
in the 1990s. Can't get RAM for them -- and just try to hook'em up to a modern, terabyte-size SATA hard drive - or SSD, particularly NVMe. HA! I have a College diploma from 1996 in that kind of stuff, too. I threw it out a while ago. The wall was crowded.

 

We had a whole thing on this offer -in this thread. The "Prestigious University: they referred to, I think was NIU or EudesUniversitas - or both. Did you read it? https://www.degreeinfo.com/index.php?threads/masters-propio-eneb-etc.57268/page-36

Done and dusted.

 

None of the propio degrees are real. They are just continuing education certificates. Master by the way has no meaning in Mexico, if I get a Master from Clea is not a degree but just a diploma as the real denomination is "Maestria". The schools play with you by making you believe you are getting a degree but you are not. The argument that CLEA or San Miguel Masters diplomas are better than Eudes or NIU, do not hold water as these are not degrees.
They are just diplomas for continuing education effort but what do you expect for 200 bucks?

 

What do I expect for $200? A watch I might like -- or a well-used guitar, one that should really sell for more. Maybe, if I'm lucky, an Italian jacket, on sale. Or a half-decent fully-stacked Bluetooth receiver. Certainly not a degree. But that's me. Too many people have unreal expectations, when it comes to degrees. They are the prey of rogues.

 

You say legality but I say validity. Why wouldn't we focus on whether a degree is legitimately earned on a forum about earning degrees? A great deal is a great deal. I paid nothing for Quantic and a thousand bucks for my Eastern degree by GA'ing during my enrollment. Both accredited. HAU's MBA is $3K.

A fly-by-night operation selling you a piece of paper for $200 that pretends to be a degree is not a deal. It doesn't make sense to treat them genuinely. All they're doing is scamming people out of an actual education.

 

How did you find the opportunity to be a GA?

 

Eastern recruits GAs every term. You need to have taken and passed the course with an A and have good communication skills.

GAs monitor the discussion boards and respond to feedback. I was a GA for the Intro to Data Science course for part of my time at Eastern and then the Intro to Machine Learning for the rest.

 

Wasn't Quantic unaccredited at some point? All schools start unaccredited. Did you get yours when it was already accredited?

Anyways, I am glad that you got your degree at low cost.

 

Quantic has NA, but these schools are not pursuing accreditation so it's a moot point.

A bad school pointing out that good schools eventually get accredited means nothing for the bad school.

 

That’s awesome! I have considered getting some kind of formal education on data science. I work as a “data specialist”. I am 100% self taught. My strength is that I have a deep understanding of the data a work with. Sometimes I wonder if I could process/analyze it more efficiently.

 

We are comparing apple and oranges. If you check mastercursos, most degrees are for personal development like mindfulness, personal psychology, natural medicine, etc. If I am completing a degree in meditation, I really don't care much about accreditation and the degree from CLEA, San Miguel (NIU cobranded) etc just make a nice diploma to hang on the wall but they cannot really be used for professional use.
We can argue that there is no need to grant a degree but the school needs to compete in this sea of qualifications where everyone offers a degree. I personally completed the mindfulness degree from Mastercursos because it was free, then the school emailed me an offer to upgrade to a CLEA degree for 100 bucks. One can argue that is a waste of money but I have spent 100 bucks in many useless things.
Mastercursos also offers MBAs, it is quite possible that someone with a CLEA MBA lands a job as a customer service rep, sales rep, etc because the 100 bucks CLEA degree. Again, I personally think that in a market flooded with qualifications, the regular employer would not differentiate between a propio degree from a Mexican school or an American degree accredited by a distance education accreditation agency. None are prestigious nor are game changers but valid ways to better yourself. If I put in my CV NIU and San Miguel, one can argue that the San Miguel is accredited in Mexico so the degree has certain validity but a prospect employer might not put too much weight on it.

At the end of the day, it is up to the employer to accept the credential or not. As long as you disclose the degree as it is, there is nothing unethical to earn a cobranded NIU and San Miguel degree to better yourself for a low cost.

I believe Rich's approach to this is the ideal situation. Instead of wasting your time with degrees from low ranked institutions, if you are really serious about your education, get it from a top school and get your employer to pay for it. This is what I did, in a very competitive world, you need to get the best credentials you can get so you can compete.

 

Then the CLEA degree was CLEARly another waste. I suggest you try to be more careful with your money. Try not to buy so "many useless things," including $100 "degrees." It works - like crazy. I can tell you from experience.

How do you mean "disclose it as it is?" If you mean anything else than saying "... and here's some meaningless thing I bought for $200," then you're not truly disclosing it.

Then It looks to me like you got both: the best of degrees --- plus some of the worst. I'm not even trying to figure it out.

 

Maybe they see it that way. That doesn't make it acceptable. All degrees are not equal. By buying this lowball stuff, we're perpetuating the myth. I say: Better a good diploma than a bad "degree." Good degrees can be affordable - but not usually $200. Affordable, good quality degrees are much of what this forum is about.

A $200 degree is like a $200 car. Or worse. Unless you get a steal on a real one - like @Dustin.

 

Some great points about the degrees not being equal, but I would simply avoid the degree price tag argument altogether. It doesn't persuade me. In Europe, you can find many degrees that cost students nothing or next to nothing. A $200 degree might even be considered expensive from that perspective! On the other hand, the Axact degrees from Pakistan were often sold for thousands of dollars. That certainly did not make them superior or elite.

 

Good points, all. And I must say -- that part about $200 degrees being possibly expensive in Europe IS true. In several European countries, at most schools there are no - or very minimal, tuition fees - for qualified residents, or maybe EU. But when you see a $200 degree deal anywhere that's aimed overseas -- it's usually a quite different situation, unless it's a known legit school offering a deal ONLY to less-developed countries ... and that's not for either of us.

Some people discriminate on price only. Not quality. That bugs me.

 

Yeah, the free education (covering public institutions, often the best European ones) depends on your citizen status in a given country, or European Union entilements. Sometimes, there are also other factors that go into free university admission (above average grades, etc.).

I still think that it's always best to discuss a specific higher education institution or degree. I don't support the attempts to discredit a degree based on the low tuition price. Even in the States, the citizens of certain locations can enjoy free (undergraduate) education, provided that they meet certain criteria.

 

I'm wondering will the CLEA/San Miguel/NIU program discussed here get the same recognition of an equivalent evaluation to ENEB by foreign credential evaluators. ENEB has pulled the same stunts with its school by offering the MCA Business School validation degree here in the United States despite MCA not having any degree-granting rights here in the US. The Universidad Isabel I certification/accreditation has proven very useful though through its certification of ENEB.