Masters Propio (ENEB, etc)

Yes - it's happened, sadly, in many countries. I remember Preston University - of Wyoming, later Alabama, never US accredited.

Preston had a Pakistan division, headed by Mr. (Dr?) Abdul Basit. Formerly, he had been a VP of Dr. Maxine Asher's US-based "World Accreditation of Universities Commission." (Run, don't WAUC.) That operation was a story in itself!

At one time, Preston Pakistan talked-up and sold "Fine American degrees" based on Preston US's Alabama license, not accreditation. Eventually, the license expired and the State declined to renew it. A lot of disappointed degree-holders, even before the license expired.

Preston Pakistan opened about nine campuses on their own turf and at least four were accredited, at one time or another, by the Pakistan HEC. I'd think those degrees would be useful --- at least in Pakistan. I think they're down to two campuses now. Sad story for those buying the Alabama "fine American degrees."

 

Sorry. WAUC stood for "World Association of Universities and Colleges." Frankly, I like my mistake better. More down-to-business.

 

It's not true. Someone else told me it's something in Elvish - read by Mandy Patinkin, doing a Tolkien thing...

(Wiki: Mamaloshen, Patinkin's musical production of songs sung entirely in Yiddish, premiered in 1998. He has performed the show on Broadway and in venues around the United States.)

For Goyim (Non-Jewish people, e.g. moi) Mamaloshen means "mother tongue" i.e. Yiddish.

 

And Mandy Patinkin singing in Yiddish? HIGHLY recommended! Lots here: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Mandy+Patinkin+singing+in+Yiddish

 

And loshen koydesh means Hebrew.

It's interesting. When Nehemiah talks about reading the Book of the Law to the people he mentions those who helped the people to understand it. I personally suspect that these were interpreters. Even in those days, Hebrews did not speak Hebrew very well!

 

This is a rather unfortunate move on the part of Masstercursos. Or to put it more bluntly, stupid and dodgy.

This so-called 'university' openly states on their accreditation page that they have no US government-recognized accreditation but then point to other institutions abroad, which offer a second diploma. The Universidad de San Miguel in Mexico and the Universidad San José in Colombia both appear to be legitimate, recognized entities in their respective nations, but CESB in Mexico appears to simply be another NIU. In fact, CESB's site has NIU's logo all over it and continually mentions its partnership with NIU.

A shame that organizations like this can't simply open an 'academy' or 'center' and teach courses solely in partnership with real universities (like what ENEB is doing). Instead, they pretend to be universities themselves and end up partnering with a mixed bag of different institutions: some legitimate, others not.

With all that said, I'm not sure why anyone would want a separate diploma from NIU, especially if the price is significantly more than that of the diploma already granted by Universidad CLEA. Now if NIU could also have further diplomas issued by their legitimate partners in Mexico (USM) and Colombia (USJ), then that might be something, but that doesn't appear to be the case. Even if they could, I'm sure it'd be a heck of a lot more than €288.

 

We've now given Masstercursos more than 288 euro worth of ink - or rather, bandwidth. Let's just send them the bill and move on.

 

That's OK. Back then, nobody in the entire British Isles could speak a word of English.

 

It is an issue of perception. As the target customer is Spanish, many would prefer an American University than an online Mexican or Spanish University. I believe the NIU degree is cobranded with University of San Miguel so the end product is not so different than the CLEA degree but it has a fancy name.
I completed one of these programs with a CLEA diploma, the NIU degree looks cool but I agree that it is not worth the money.

 

If the University of San Miguel is listed on the diploma, then that might be worth something. But if it's solely NIU, then I'd be far less keen. Or rather, I'd actively discourage anyone from spending their money!

 

These diplomas are just dressing in a CV. They don't provide any transcripts nor can be evaluated as degree equivalent in the US or Canada. For some NIU might look better in a CV because it is a US school. Regardless if it is San Miguel or NIU, it is unlikely that anyone would notice that San Miguel is a better school than NIU.
I have seen CVs on linked in with 6 or more of these propio Master's. It is unlikely that one of these Master's can make a huge impact in your career. If you look at the example below, the individual has 6 Masters from different schools including NIU and ENEB but he works like a cook, a career that normally just needs a few years diploma:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/miguel-%C3%A1ngel-ponte-rai%C3%B1o-595aa71a3/details/education/

I personally don't use the CLEA degree, it was just personal so NIU or San Miguel would not make any difference.

 

What's the distinction between dressing on a CV and a plain old lie about your level of education? If you get a degree from an unrecognized and unaccredited school without standards, transcripts or evaluations, have you really gotten a degree at all?

 

Of course not. You have a non-degree. "But it looks good on a CV." No, it doesn't. Fashion guy here: Not a good look - on anyone. And I don't think there's a stylist in the world that can help you with an ugly thing like that!

 

The degree required the same effort and lead to the same results regardless if it was granted by NIU or San Miguel. We are focusing too much of the legality but leaving behind the value of learning. Both San Miguel and NIU are just diplomas with no official value, San Miguel is registered as an official school but the degree granted has no official value. The perception that a San Miguel degree is better is just an illusion in my opinion. Again, the audience here is too focused on the legality but for a regular employer, San Miguel or NIU are both schools that are not ranked and have very little credibility other than just continuing education.
If the prospect student really wants a serious degree, a considerable amount of work and time would need to be invested, a 200 bucks degree that can be completed in few months is not going to be considered a masters degree even if San Miguel or Isabel grants the degree.

 

Hey, I know this kind of question! They are called "Zen Koan"!!

Like, for example, "If a tree falls in the forest, and there's no one there to hear it, does it make a sound?" and "If you claim to have a degree propio and the Imperial Accreditation Acadamy of South Costaragua really does not give a damn what you do with it, have you still got a degree"? ...damn, I am confused now... even more than usual...

 

No, Grasshopper -- you do not. Now, quickly as you can, snatch the pebble from my hand...

 

No, really! I think I am onto something big here! That is Schrödinger's degree!! You have a degree and you don't at the same time!

 

No - that was his CAT. Erwin Schrödinger's Doctorate - from University of Vienna - was REAL. Possibly you have a degree, but only in a specific "eigenstate." I was bad at physics... very bad. But Schrödinger (an Atheist) was a very interesting person. Had we met, I'm sure I would have liked him.

 

Except for his predilection for underage girls, that I just now read about. Yep - definitely a deal-killer.
It's all here - pretty grim. Even worse than I thought. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Schrödinger

No - I wouldn't have liked him. I'm out.

 

Indeed. You can spin it any way that you want, but the only place such degrees are useful is in your signature line in a forum like this. Not in any kind of academic or professional sphere. It doesn’t really matter if you learned something or wrote papers. I can buy a book on marketing, read it, and write a book report. But that doesn’t give me a marketing degree. Yet, that’s basically what some of these degrees amount to.