Masters Propio (ENEB, etc)

The main problem with CLEA is that it does not have transcripts. ENEB does so at least you can get an evaluation. With CLEA all you get is a digital diploma, you can get an apostille for more money. An apostille is just certificate that notarizes the degree.
The San Miguel degree is also not easy to evaluate because is cobranded, you only get one diploma that has San Miguel and NIU. No transcripts as well.
Mastercursos displays the WES logo in their website, maybe you can ask why WES is there and what it means. My guess is that WES might give some evaluation for these degrees, maybe not a masters but at least credits. ECE takes digital diplomas as long as they can be validated online for evaluation purposes so you might want to check with them. My guess is that you might get graduate credit evaluation but not the actual degree equivalency:

https://www.masstercursos.com/p/master-marketing-digital-publicidad1

 

Q: Can the master’s degree obtained on your website be certified in WES of Canada or USA?

A: Good afternoon,


All the students who have studied with us have been able to certify their master's degrees with WES. We take care of sending the titles to WES to be certified.

We have many students from the US and Canada who we have helped to certify their studies with WES.

If we can help you with anything else, we are at your disposal.

Finally, we would like to inform you that we have a 10% discount for any university master's degree on our website. If you wish, we can send you a coupon so that you can register.

All the best.

 

Interestingly enough, I just found out on the sister forum that WES is not evaluating CLEA right now. Also, the two newest NACES evaluators that started last year do not evaluate Master Titulo Propios.

 

I found this at another website. Most likely the information is out of date.
I have a WES account, I tried Azteca, CLEA, Nicaragua and San Miguel and all were refused for entry. ENEB was accepted for entry so it might be a better choice.

 

An apostille in this context is a worthless stamp used to trick gullible or ignorant people out of their money.

 

Indeed. In this context, a "worthless stamp" as you say, Dustin. One that "authenticates" a worthless degree. It attests that the degree is genuine - i.e. not a forgery -- and that it came from the school named. That's all. The apostille has nothing to do with quality, value, or official standing with education authorities.

I think we've been through that at least a hundred times on DI. Obviously, there'll likely be more...

 

These could see some uptake among unregulated life coaches and natural health consultants and such.

 

It depends on the country, in the US might be the case but in some places only official degrees can be apostilled. In the US, you can apostille a electricity bill but not the case in other countries.
In the UK, only official degrees can be apostilled.

 

No doubt. I don't like seeing life-anything or health-anything being unregulated. What could be more important than life - or health? There is a need for knowledgeable people with the authority to be educative, set standards, be on watch - and act promptly as necessary.

There are too many niches in Canada where some mountebank can eke out a living, flashing their unaccredited PhD in "Natural Proton Science" or some rubbish that they got from Sri Lanka or maybe Arizona. They can do - and actually do - a lot of harm. Even one unregulated person in life and/or health roles is one too many.

Even dog groomers are looking at regulation, here - so why are ANY of those who treat or counsel PEOPLE not subject to oversight?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/dog-groomers-consider-ways-of-regulating-industry-1.1144543#:~:text=The issue of regulating the,of written and practical exams.

 

In Canada, naturopathic programs are offered by non accredited schools. Even the regulated provinces only have unaccredited schools offering ND degrees.
Most life coaches and alike are only certified coaches by the ICF, not an accredited institution but recognized.
Not everyone needs an accredited degree. People practicing as life coaches, hypnotherapists, natural medicine, etc do not need an accredited degree. Masstercursos programs are mainly in these fields, the CLEA or San Miguel degrees look better than a Masstercursos certificate.
Many people just follow these programs for personal development, no need to be so hard on them.

 

I believe the title Dr is regulated in Ontario. You cannot call yourself Dr with a PhD. Only health professionals such as MDs, DDS, Psychologists can be called Drs.
Coaches normally do not work in health care but in professional development and executive coaching. Psychotherapy is also regulated so life coaches cannot treat mental deceases legally. They can only help people for career development, executive coaching, leadership, etc.
A CLEA or San Miguel degree for sure cannot to be used to qualify as a psychologist, social worker, etc.

 

Apostille are mainly for official documents. When I opened a business in Colombia, I was required to apostille birth certificate, passport, etc. The apostille has little value in the US or Canada but in some countries all the foreign documents need an apostille so we cannot generalize and say that only ignorant people get them, otherwise they would not exist.
There is indeed abuse in the US mainly because in some countries only official documents can be apostilled so for a Colombian, a degree with an apostille should be official so it might deceive people from this country.

 

Maybe it is time to give up the cheap degrees and bite the bullet and pay the 100K for a RA PhD. Any cheap PhD or Master from a low ranked school is going to be blocked by WES and major NACES evaluators, it is not in the best interest of WES university customers to give positive evaluations to degrees that cost 100 dlls, this would just put Walden, Devry, Capella, UoP and all the DEAC accredited schools out of business.

 

PS - I've seen some of these cases get to court. Criminal court. I don't make stuff up as I go along. I'm not that guy.

(1) You yourself said that people could legally put an unaccredited PhD on their business card. That - to me - is wrong. It gives the false impression that they are qualified doctors of ,,,um, something - whatever they say it is. And non-MDs, non-Dentists and non-Psychologists shouldn't be giving the impression they are "doctors" in a health-care setting --- we've been through that. It's legal to put the bogus degree on a business card. If the business is life-or-health related - it shouldn't be legal to do that.

(2) Life coaching --- says "life," and they mean "life," right? My take: Should be regulated, ipso facto.

(3)

And I would hope, not a life coach, or a natural therapist or a life or health counsellor or any life- or health-related occupation whatsoever. But we're not there, yet.

 

I guess you are taking about Quantum University and Open International University for Complementary Medicines. I believe in Ontario, naturopathy is regulated so Quantum or OIUCM would not make it. There are people practicing as natural health practitioners without a license but they are not covered by insurance nor their receipts can be used for income tax purposes.
In other provinces, naturopathy is not regulated but you are required to graduate from a school that is recognized and that covers a minimum curriculum and have some hours of practice. I don't think Quantum nor the Sri lankan school would qualify either.
There is the market of natural health practitioners that sell natural products, practice psychic healing, etc but this market is very tiny. Most people do not have money to waste and need insurance to pay for it or at very least income tax receipts.
The masstercursos certificates are not meant to qualify you to be a Naturopathic Doctor, they are just for personal development and continuing education.

 

You can, but unlikely that anyone would call you and hire you. The real barrier is insurance, if you cannot insure your practice or work with insurance for reimbursement, it is unlikely that you can get customers unless you are very well known.
In few words, if the professional is unable to give you insurance receipts, it is most likely unqualified.

 

CLEA isn't in the US so references to how it works there are irrelevant. This is why I'm so negative about. Every one of your posts on this tries to hang a veneer of respectability on a degree that has no more validity than an Axact clone by bringing up what real schools can do instead of what the scam school is actually doing.

They're not recognized degrees. They will never be recognized degrees.

 

Congratulations. You've just been awarded "Un máster propio en sarcasmo" by CLEA! All you have to do is send the $100. $100 extra if you want the apostille.

 

Right -- so maybe they shouldn't be practising AT ALL. Regulation needed to take away the possibility.

 

Thanks, I accept the award but it must have an apostille.

The reality is that we are always looking for cheap, fast, accredited and prestigious. It does not exist.