Looming slaughter in Gaza

Oh, sure, the Arabs refer to the "nakba", the alleged expulsion of Palestinian Arabs from the parts of Palestine the UN had intended for the Jewish population. They rarely mention that this expulsion came in the context of the Arab nations sending armies into Palestine to kill the Jews and snuff out the "Zionist Entity". They chose war but refuse to admit that war has consequences especially if you lose.

Also, you never hear any mention of the ensuing expulsion of Jews from the rest of the Arab world. No, they never mention the JEWISH "nakba".

 

They never mention Jewish Nakba, expulsion of Jews.
Most people are unaware of the size and scope of the Jewish refugee problem. In both human and economic terms, the expulsion was massive.
Approximately 900,000 Jews fled Arab countries. Their property, confiscated or stolen outright by the Arab states—in particular Egypt and Iraq—is valued today in the hundreds of billions of dollars. Among these assets were the buildings that housed Jewish institutions, synagogues, factories, and personal property.
The losses were particularly heavy for the Jews of Egypt. For them, the persecution came swiftly.
When Israel was established, the Egyptian government announced that the property of anyone whose actions were deemed dangerous to the state would be confiscated.

"The Arab exodus, initially at least, was encouraged by many Arab leaders such as Haj Amin el Husseini, the exiled pro-Nazi Mufti of Jerusalem, and by the Arab Higher Committee for Palestine. … They viewed the first waves of Arab setbacks as merely transitory. Let the Palestine Arabs flee into neighboring countries. It would serve to arouse the other Arab peoples to greater effort, and when the Arab invasion struck, the Palestinians could return to their homes and be compensated with the property of Jews driven into the sea.
As early as February 19, 1949, the Jordanian newspaper Palestine wrote: “The Arab states encouraged the Arabs of Palestine to leave their homes temporarily so they would not interfere with the Arab invasion forces.”

It is also worth asking what would have happened to the Jews of Palestine if the Arabs had won their war. The answer can be seen in the statements of Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri Said: “We will blow up the land with our cannons and erase every remaining place the Jews take refuge. The Arabs must lead their wives and children to safe places until the end of the hostilities.” Arab League General Secretary Azzam Facha promised the Arab peoples that the conquest of Palestine would be a cakewalk."

 

Oh, we don't need to ask. We know. The Arabs told the world what they intended to do to the Jews.

 

Agree, here is an interesting article.

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/ending-the-occupation-myth/

 

Besides, that's all just quibbling. There is no such thing as a "right" absent the power to enforce it. Israel doesn't owe its existence to some British or U.N. flatulence. Israel exists because Israelis created it and fought for its survival.

That's why the so-called Palestinian State is a kleptocratic fraud that exists exactly so long as and only to the extent that the Arab World supports it. It is no more a State than my grandmother was the Queen of Hindustan.

 

Statehood comes from agreement. Israel says "no" on Palestine. The UN, IIRC, says "yes." The Israelis won't allow it. The Arabs can't force it. And no one else seems interested in bringing it about.

But no matter what these entities say, Palestine is not a sovereign nation. At all. I think it should become one because I don't think Israel will allow Palestine to be a fully integral part of Israel. Are they just going to keep these people and lands in their current state?

As for "rights," I like what George Carlin said. They're not "rights" if they can be taken away from you. They're just privileges. That thinking also has a domestic application these days.

 

No. Statehood cannot be created by fiat where the "State" has no ability to control its territory and population. Palestine can do neither. Such a "State" is a feel-good fiction, nothing more. Typical U.N. nonsense.

 

ALL "rights" can be taken away if there is a shift in authority. Carlin is correct and so are you.

 

Umm...I think we agree.

But I'll take it one step further. It actually hurts the situation because the UN's declaration lets Israel play both sides of the issue while actually doing nothing to resolve it.

 

Land disputes are as old as humanity. Wars create borders, redefine borders etc.
Israel is fighting for it existence as National home for the Jewish nation, Arabs have lots of land, they want all of it. I also think they are about to own Europe.
Most don't assimilate but remain loyal to their religion, tribe, clan etc. I think they are using democracy to infiltrate in to institutions, all one needs is to see what Hamas and Muslim brotherhood established in the US.

The report noted that a Hamas network has existed in the U.S. since the 1980s. It was formalized into the Palestine Committee in 1988, whose stated goals were said to include "increasing the financial and the moral support for Hamas" and publicizing "the savagery of the Jews." It spawned several public-facing organizations, which the GWU said are now defunct.

The U.S. government has conducted a series of counterterrorism operations against Hamas' American support network.

In 2008, the leaders of the Holy Land Foundation—a Texas-based charity established to finance Hamas—were convicted of accruing $12.4 million for the militant organization and received sentences of up to 65 years, which the study described as constituting "the largest successful terrorism financing prosecution in U.S. history."

The GWU report said, however, that many members of the Palestine Committee have "created new structures to provide support for Hamas."

While it said some of these focus their efforts on fundraising, "others have concentrated on more political and educational efforts." By their nature, those are "more difficult to fall under the provisions of material support to a terrorist organization and therefore trigger criminal charges."

"The FBI cannot comment on specific investigations but we will work with our partners within the U.S. government to uncover any efforts to support such organizations and use our lawful authorities to stop it," the agency spokesperson told Newsweek. "It is important to emphasize the FBI only investigates criminal activity and threats to national security. We do not conduct investigations based solely on First Amendment protected activity."

https://www.newsweek.com/hamas-network-america-terror-banned-organization-israel-war-finance-1836917

 

We agree partially. Where we disagree is that you have some notion that the U.N. is useful whereas I would withdraw from the institution, expel all the diplomats, and turn the building into much needed affordable housing.

 

What I want to see happen in Israel first is to STOP THE KILLING. More killing does not make up for past killing. That's mere revenge which President Biden rightly warns against.

Then we must see what can be done. The Palestinian population is there. That population needs a secure home and some hope for a free and prosperous future. What's in the cards, though, is genocide, an altogether too common human activity.

But first the killing must stop!

 

I'd also demand that the dips pay off all their traffic and parking tickets before leaving New York!

 

I thought that League of Nations following the WW1 had higher legal authority then the UN.
Other states such as Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq all accepted the borders and the division that was made in 1920. The Arabs rejected the plan to allow Jews to resettle in Palestine, even on coins and Palestinian money bills, there was wring in Hebrew .
Palestina (AI ) Erets Israel פאלישתינה (אי)

 

So how is Israel derives it legal authority as a state with recognized borders? In comparison to other democracies?

 

On this issue, it is the United States who is preventing the UN from acting.

 

If the U.S. or any other member state can keep the U.N. from acting that merely demonstrates the worthlessness of the institution.