Fact Sheets President Trump’s Historic Coronavirus Response Healthcare

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  1. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Well, to be fair, it would help if he wasn't such a demon.
     
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  2. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Seriously, if he was just slightly more reluctant to break the law, things would go much better for him. Okay some things might go better, he'd probably have to be paying a lot more taxes but he'd be in less trouble.
     
  3. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    I would not be too worried. In any case, he'll have a nice dacha in Rostov, next to another client of Manafort's.
     
  4. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Nice comfy place indeed. But I thought Bill said he'll be flying to Riyadh. I figured him for Idi Amin's pleasant former digs in Jeddah. No? Well, he's probably got any number of choices, once he's clear of the US. If you see a truck being backed up beside a bank -and filled to the roof with money - you know what's happening.
     
  5. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I'm honored to be confused with Rich but that was Rich's guess which I really like.
     
  6. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Sorry. My mistake - and I really like Rich's guess, too. But Stanislav's scenario is pretty good. Trump would be right where Putin can watch him. He'll need watching... :)
     
  7. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I think he will be at Sunset Harbour part of South Beach Florida.
    He may take a short vacation with understanding that left is calling/coming for "blood".
    We heard this for last 4 years didn't we?
    :)
     
  8. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

     
  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Sorry, but Trump IS going away. How far--Florida or Saudi Arabia--is TBD. When--January 20th or sooner--is also TDB. But he definitely is going away.

    What is NOT going away is Trumpism. There is a segment of the population--I leave it to you to decide how big that proportion is--that eats this stuff up. They're still going to be hungry for it.
     
  10. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Agreed. Trumpism will live - probably long after Trump is gone from the planet - though I hope not. It's FAR more dangerous than Trump himself.
     
  11. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    It existed before just under different name.
    Whit the rise of globalism many Americans waited for nationalist leader who will stop the selling of America, robbing America from jobs and future.
    This quest for secure borders, jobs and strong economy and liberty will not go away.
    So it all depends on definition.
    Many Americans now tested that its possible.
    While the establishment will do everything to prevent repeat of non establishment president in the future an outsider like Trump ever become a president.
    So with all the sabotages internal external, and self afflicted this is not going away.
    I was before Trump.
     
    Last edited: Nov 22, 2020
  12. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Typo - It was before Trump.
     
  13. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    https://www.ft.com/content/89acf0bb-8dac-4f73-8962-5780546eadca

    "The Financial Times says President Donald Trump's Operation Warp Speed is responsible for the coronavirus vaccines becoming available so soon.

    In an article posted Thursday, the Times noted the "vaccine push is now hailed as the bright spot in the Trump administration's COVID-19 response, as products from Pfizer and BioNTech, Moderna, and AstraZeneca and Oxford University move closer to approval."

    The key achievement of Operation Warp Speed had been speeding up investment in manufacturing, Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at the Columbia University School of Public Health, told the Times.

    "Normally, that would be a huge investment for a vaccine manufacturer to make, and potentially be a huge loss for them if they developed a vaccine that never went on to the market," she said. "
     
    Last edited: Nov 27, 2020
  14. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Agreed, this is different from his previous lies that he was responsible for the quick successful development of the vaccines. Which was not true. It is true that the vaccines are becoming available sooner because of the federal government sharing in the risk of the early manufacture.
     
  15. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

  16. TeacherBelgium

    TeacherBelgium Active Member

    How are people in the US looking at the vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna?
    Here in Belgium no one wants them. People are terrified of what might be in them. Of the long-term damage they may cause.

    In that regard the US is much more of a liberal country than Belgium and other EU countries.
    In the United States they can't force you into vaccination because you can base yourself on religious freedom and some religions mandate that people are not vaccinated.
    Here in Belgium they would implement a forceful character by denying you access to services you really need so that eventually you give in and get the vaccine. That's what likely will happen here.
     
    Last edited: Dec 4, 2020
  17. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Kaiser Permanente will get these pending FDA on 12/15. They are looking at 250K initially, these will have to be administered twice so 125 ,000 persons can get vaccines at KP.
    I don't know how they will prioritize. A relative works there in Duluth GA Medical center.
    I can only speculate that some will run to get it and some will wait out.
     
  18. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I expect it will be available to healthcare workers first, people in nursing homes second, and then down from there in order of how likely COVID-19 is to kill them.

    As for how many people will want to get it as soon as possible and how many will want to avoid it, I'm guessing something like 50-50. And the naysayers will go berserk if they're pressured to take it, so I wouldn't count on that happening no matter how much it might benefit others.
     
  19. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I think too much is being made about who gets it when. Yes, medical providers--especially those working with COVID-19 patients--ought to be protected first. But the real protection will come from herd immunity--when the overall chances of infection are much, much lower. It's really not a conundrum; the back of the train gets to the station at about the same time as the front.

    I'm much more concerned about the efficacy of the vaccines, their staying power, their ability to stay ahead of the infection, the virus' capability to mutate, etc. One dose or two? How much immunity is provided in the first dose (because many people won't return for the second)? And can people with money cut the line by obtaining it privately? (Like Fastrak and E-Z Pass lanes, where people who can afford it get their own private roads on otherwise public freeways.)
     
  20. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Valid concerns and some of them we share.
    About E-ZPass lanes, the money goes back to the maintenance of the roads and people with money may drive better cars and live in larger or better homes.
    Incentive is driving people to achieve their goals.
    One maybe worked hard to get there, are we to punish people for that?
    I get the point that its a public not private road and public roads shouldn't discriminate.
     

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