Fact Sheets President Trump’s Historic Coronavirus Response Healthcare

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  1. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I am discussing what you said and your statements are false. Rush's statement was not take out of context as you keep falsely asserting. Here are the facts. With the full context. It was not taken out of context. The following was taken from the politifact site that I already linked to.

    Former Vice President Joe Biden capped off the virtual Democratic National Convention on Aug. 20 with a nearly 25-minute speech delivered live to a room of reporters, camera crews, campaign staffers and Secret Service agents at the Chase Center in Wilmington, Del.

    In the days since, radio host Rush Limbaugh and other conservative media personalities have falsely claimed that Biden’s speech was pre-taped and edited to remove any mess-ups.

    "Some people are of the opinion that it had to be taped and that it had to be taped in segments, and the segments had to be edited together because (Biden) is not capable of 22 minutes even reading a prompter with no screw ups," Limbaugh said Aug. 21 on his radio show.

    "This is the prevailing theory," Limbaugh added, claiming that he knew some "professional video people" who were studying the footage for evidence that it had been recorded in advance.

    Similar claims have spread widely on Twitter and Facebook. The Facebook posts were flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about our partnership with Facebook.)

    The claims are inaccurate. Biden’s speech was carried live by several cable and broadcast TV channels, streamed live by multiple news organizations, and attended live by dozens of people.
  2. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I already explained, what Rush paraphrases is not what in his opinion Biden said but what Dem's mean.
    As he claims that Biden has no clue what so called progressives are going to push. OAC stated they will continue their push, no unity.
    Unless you listen to Rush for some time you will not fully understand his statements and commentaries especially if you are Democrat.
    I heard what Biden is saying and in many of the issues I wish him success.
    But I'm afraid Progressives will try to send him to retirement very soon.

    Bill maybe this will illustrate to you something:

    Biden said:
    "We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics," Biden said in the video.

    Now here is a spin:

    Same thing is done to Rush

    Hope this helps you to understand.
  3. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Sidney Powell / Lin Wood: Trump Won By A Landslide - 80 Million Votes
    Dominion Voting according to these attorneys will go to oblivion
  4. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

  5. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

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  6. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    You know what "ad hominem" means, right?

    No matter the motivation (and I'm not a big fan of Romney) the argument is sound. Trump's behaviour harms the country, and borders on treasonous.
  7. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

  8. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    There are no "unique needs" here, other than the one satisfied only by equal access to the same legal status.

    Seriously, if there's an argument against marriage equality compatible with separation of church and state I have yet to see it. It's amazing how blatantly hypocritical conservatives can be when justifying government action to enforce their preferences on social issues.
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  9. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Worst story I remember was the county clerk who refused to sign marriage certificates because it went against her personal beliefs. It's beyond obvious that if she couldn't do her job, she shouldn't have her job. However, since I'm a bad person... I was hoping she would win, so I could get a county clerk job and start a religion where every day was a sabbath :D
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  10. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Before the election, I said that Trump's "strategy" (far to strong a word for it) was threefold:

    1. Suppress the vote,
    2. Get foreign help,
    3. Turn out the base while ignoring the rest of the country.

    It almost worked.
  11. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    In 2016 Trump lost the popular vote by about 2 million votes. He won the electoral college by an amount that he said was a recent record historic landslide in 2016. In 2016 Hillary was separated from victory by a total of about 78,000 votes in 3 states. Yet she called and congratulated Trump on his victory on election night and gave her concession speech on Wednesday the day after the election.

    In 2020 Trump lost the popular vote by about 6 million votes. He lost the electoral college in 2020 by the same landslide amount that he won in 2016. In 2020 Trump is separated from victory by a total of about a quarter million votes in 3 states yet Trump has not conceded. Not only that, he has claimed WITHOUT EVIDENCE that he won the election and he is currently actively lobbying state officials in battle ground states to disenfranchise the will of the people in their state. Many legal scholars seem to think that this is likely a felony at both the federal and the state level.

    This is your man Lerner.
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  12. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    The last presidential election to be thrown to the House was in 1876 (the year of the "Corrupt Bargain"). No losing candidate since has failed to concede, most that night or the next day. (Gore, a near-exception, didn't concede until the US Supreme Court ordered the ballot count in Florida to end. But then he conceded graciously.

    Trump will NOT concede. He won't concede tonight, tomorrow, after enough states have certified their elections to give Biden 270 votes, after all the states certify their elections, after the Electoral College slates are confirmed, after the EC votes, after Congress counts the votes and formally names Biden the president-elect, nor even after Biden is sworn in on January 20th. He will NEVER concede.

    He can't. There's no upside for him to concede. He knows his supporters want him to continue the fight, even though it's a fictional quixotic battle against an imagined enemy. His post-presidency influence depends on him maintaining the fiction that the election--a substantial win for Biden--was stolen from him. They'll know it's a fiction, but it gives them something to yell at liberals from the outside looking in.

    I have December 15th at 3am in the office pool for his resignation. I get double if he flees the country and flies to Saudi Arabia on a Gulfstream g650 carrying him, Don Jr, Eric, Kimberly, Lara, Ivanka, and Jared.

    My only concern is that the deal for his resignation and pardon being worked out between him, Pence, and McConnell will take longer than that to get settled. Don't get your "POTUS #46" tattoo yet, boys and girls. Changing that 6 to a 7 will hurt.
  13. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    My bad. The Corrupt Bargain was the 1824 race where Jackson was denied the presidency. The one in 1876 wasn't exactly clean, either.
  14. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Yay, Rich! I sure hope you win! Say... Idi Amin spent his last years in Saudi Arabia. They particularly like other countries' worst guys there, or something? My take: You pay enough and they'll take you. Doesn't matter who.
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  15. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Countries do strange things for bad guys. Holland took Kaiser Bill in after WW1. Augusto Pinochet of Chile was billeted at Grovelands Manor - a huge 1790-era house (at the time, an empty psychiatric hospital) in my old home town in England. There was an outcry and they shifted him to Spain.

    I'm sure the Saudis will make good money out of it...
  16. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    On the left - here's Pinochet's former digs in Grovelands Park. https://www.kidadl.com/venue/grovelands-park

    I used to play in the park there as a kid. My Dad used to rent a rowboat and take us out on the lake you see one end of, there. Very pretty place. Good pike-fishing, nowadays, I hear. Eco-projects etc. have good results.

    I'm sure the Saudis will put Trump an' them up in style in Riyadh or wherever. I'm not nearly bad enough to warrant rich digs, I suppose. They have a pup-tent 40 miles out in the desert for me...

    I've often referred to Grovelands House as "Conrad Black's summer cottage." It overlooks the 25-acre man-made lake magnificently. You could get a lot of manpower for very little in the 1790s. Great time to be rich.
    Last edited: Nov 21, 2020
  17. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    When the US let the Shah in for medical treatment it didn't work out so well for our embassy in Baghdad.
  18. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I'm used to read and see president Trump demonized. last 4 years that all I seen from the left.
  19. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    When a simple accounting of facts about you makes it look like you're being demonized, that's on you.
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  20. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member


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