Fact Sheets President Trump’s Historic Coronavirus Response Healthcare

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by Lerner, Nov 10, 2020.

  1. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    This is a flat out lie. Sorry for the blunt language but this is not the first time this lie has been corrected here. The Democrats don' t say that Russians stole the election they say that Trump worked with the Russians to get foreign assistance from them on his campaign. Remember him saying, "Russia, if you are listening release Hillary's emails." That same night the Russians starting trying to break into the Hillary campaign. The Russians then released a bunch of emails that Trump used in his campaign to his advantage. It would probably be closer to the truth though to say that James Comey was a bigger part of the reason that Trump won.

    Here's the bottom line though. Hillary conceded the election the day after election day, at least that is my recollection. Sorry if the truth is so uncomfortable to you that you have to keep misstating it.
  2. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Not what I seen and heard on the media for 3 + years.
    The witch hunt no president ever been subjected to.
  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    This is false. There was no campaign to claim the 2016 election was fraudulent. And let's not forget that the investigation into Trump (that resulted in the Mueller Report) was about a Republican president, initiated by a Republican appointed by that president, done because the other Republican appointed by the Republican president had to recuse himself. The fill-in Republican appointed a Republican investigator who identified 10 instances of the Republican president obstructing justice, and more than 100 contacts between the Republican president's campaign and Russian officials. Several of the Republican president's Republican cronies were convicted of felonies and were sent to prison.

    It was a Republican show all the way. Live with it.
  4. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    There was no witch hunt there was just a Donald Trump telling lies that you apparently believe even to this day.

    Hillary Clinton conceded the election on Wednesday after the Tuesday Election.

    "Hillary Clinton called on her supporters to accept the US election result on Wednesday, as she delivered a concession speech in New York in which she pressed Donald Trump to hold fast to American values."


    Please read the article
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  5. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The reason I say that Trump calling it a witch hunt was a lie was because

    First, the Mueller investigation was run by the Republicans not the Democrats as Rich stated.
    Second, the Mueller investigation found many crimes and put many people in jail.
    Third, the Mueller investigation found 4 obvious cases of obstruction of justice and a couple more slightly less slam dunks against President Trump. Just a few more reasons that Trump will pardon himself in a few weeks.
    Fourth, while no proof of conspiracy with Russia was found, the person, Roger Stone, that would have had that proof stated publicly he had evidence against the President and so the President pardoned Roger Stone so that he wouldn't have to go to jail and then have a reason to testify against the President to stay out of jail.

    Any one of these being true means that it was a lie by Trump to call it a witch hunt.

    So while it might be argued that no President was ever subjected to an investigation like the Mueller investigation (although Richard Nixon would probably disagree), it can also be reasonably argued that no President and/or people around them have so blatantly committed crimes such as these before.
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  6. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    That's because your choices of media are infotainment outlets who tell you the stories you wish were true because they know people like you will keep tuning in and they can sell more ads.
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  7. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I can't argue about something that I didn't study.
    I never read a single page of the Mueller report. So what I posted Republican views on the issue.
    I appears that there is a sharp partisan gap.
    Despite everything that's happened since the Mueller report, the Russia probe remains one of the biggest political scandals in generations.
    Each political party is accusing the other of committing treason. The F.B.I. is being accused of mounting a sham investigation to smear a Presidential candidate "manufactured coup,". And the President is being accused of attempting to illegally obstruct it.
    I read that Liberal theories about Russia investigation never came to pass, Michael Cohen didn't travel to Prague; that pee tape appears to be fantasy.
    Democratic Rep. Jerrold Nadler selectively cited former special counsel Robert S. Mueller’s testimony to misleadingly claim that Mueller said he didn’t indict President Donald Trump only because he couldn’t indict a sitting president. Mueller clarified in his July 24 testimony that “we did not make any determination with regard to culpability.” Mueller report failed to ease that division. It is likely that no one will.

    As Rush said:
    "The people of this country were told their president was a traitor. They were assured their president had colluded, had stolen the election. None of it happened," Limbaugh said. "This whole thing is a manufactured coup because they could not accept the results of the 2016 election, and they're continuing it."
  8. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose....
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  9. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Merde alors! :eek:
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  10. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Any one of the 4 points would show that the Mueller investigation was not a witch hunt. I could point at many dozens of articles showing any of these points. Here's a super easy one. The Mueller investigation brought to justice many criminals. see this article.

    In this latest post, you are confusing the Steele dossier with the so-called whole Russian investigation. The Steele dossier was some RAW INTELLIGENCE. That means a "spy" used his contacts to gather some stories, some information. It was never sold as anything more than that. That is all it was. Some information in it proved to be true, some not. This information was not used in any campaign. Nor was it really significant to the Mueller investigation.

    Steve Foerster probably said it best. The reason your understandings don't match up "That's because your choices of media are infotainment outlets who tell you the stories you wish were true because they know people like you will keep tuning in and they can sell more ads." Or to put it into your own words to me. You trusted false information and the rug has been pulled out from under you.
  11. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    The information you trust is also partially false. This is not black or white.
    Its easy to be on a popular side.
    Even now if I'm going against the flow, I trust information sources that you don't.
    No rug been pulled out from under me. But freedoms of Americans, and way of living is being pulled under our feet.
    I think, its the other way around.
    I lived were government controlled your every move. You were told were you can live and where you can work, what you can and cannot wear, read, listen, buy, save ......
    I'm trying to show it, and many people who lived under such "socialism" left for the better future and came here to the US.
    I heard the moderates say more like Canada, or Denmark etc. Some how from here it seems more like Venezuela.
    Biden's 'reset' will strip Americans of freedom, money.
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  12. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The difference between our two situations, Lerner, is that the person you most look to for information is a pathological liar.
  13. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    The Pfizer vaccine, 95% effective. They plan to submit this to the FDA in days, according to CNBC.
    You know what this is?
    This is the blockbuster result of Trump’s Operation Warp Speed in real time.
    But you know what had to happen for this to happen? Trump had to rid the FDA and this government of so many regulations, things that liberal Democrats would have never — we could not have gotten this vaccine in this short a time were it not for Trump zapping so many regulations.
    Especially how in the past Dem's demonized the big Pharma.

    Dem's out saying Trump had nothing to do with the vaccine, and it's over the cable networks saying that.

    Whats with Andrew Cuomo?
    “I’m not accepting any vaccine that comes from Donald Trump.”
    New Yorkers respond - Why let the people of New York suffer because appears Coumo acting like a child here?
  14. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    And left Trump alone because of standing DoJ policy, not because the guy isn't a suspected felon. Charges which, of course, he will no longer be able to evade after noon on January 20th.
  15. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Yeah, it kinda is.

    Wishing it away won't help, and the veneer protecting these falsehoods has been stripped away by the voters.
  16. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    No, it isn't. As Pfizer had made clear publicly, their effort was not part of Operation Warp Speed. It wasn't funded by the government, either.

    Typical Trump move: Take something, put his name on it, then act as if he built it.
  17. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Source? The only one I can find is Rush Limbaugh. Such a quote would certainly have been noted somewhere, and I'm sure he's not an original source. So where?
  18. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I'm talking about the FDA regulations. The FDA regulations that were "bypassed" or eased are due to Presidents task force activities.
  19. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I think the issue is that Coumo is accusing Trump plan to distribute vaccines unevenly bypassing elderly and lower layer people of color residents.

    CBS News:
    New York Governor Andrew Cuomo said Sunday that he is prepared to bring legal action against the Trump administration over its proposed COVID-19 vaccine distribution plan, saying it could result in unequal distribution to lower income and Black and Brown communities.
    Basically he is saying that there is a systematic inequality.
    No evidence was provided to back this claim. So Trump accused Coumo of delaying vaccine distribution plans for political reasons.

    President Trump said Friday that the federal government is developing a plan to distribute the COVID-19 vaccine to all Americans as soon as April. But he singled out New York — and Cuomo in particular — for calling for an independent panel to review any vaccine before it is distributed in the state.
  20. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Source please.

    I believe it false that FDA regulations have been bypassed for the Pfizer vaccine. There was some talk about at least two months study would be required before a study could be considered complete. The White House tried to nix that because it would have made it impossible for a study to complete before the election. I assume that Pfizer used at least two months in their study but if not it really only means a week or two of the announcement being sooner. Claiming that allows Trump to take credit is a pretty slim argument.

    Operation warp speed had two parts, as I understand it. The government shared in the risk of manufacturing the vaccine prior to completion of the study. The second part has to do with distribution of the vaccine. So it seems that the rug has been pulled out from under feet once again?

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