Did Russians successfully manipulate or change American votes?

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Did Russians successfully manipulate or change American votes?

Poll closed Feb 4, 2017.
  1. Russians hacked into American election-machines and illegally altered votes.

    0 vote(s)
  2. Russians hacked the DNC & exposed immorality or criminality, causing citizens to change their votes

  3. Russians DID psychologically make citizens change their votes with cyberwarfare & media manipulation

  4. Russians did NOT psychologically make citizens change their votes with cyberwarfare & manipulation

Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    I forgot Harvard- and Oxford-educated and the mother of three.
  2. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Yeah, great success in propaganda and gerrymandering. Care to discuss Republican achievements in say Louisiana, under Jindal?

    Hillary got 3 million more votes. It bothers Trump to no end.
  3. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Stanislav, why do you think that all States' elections for both Houses of Congress (where Republicans won) are corrupt or gerrymandered? Are you saying that the American people don't want what they got in the States' elections for Congress?
  4. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Yes, and the Russian hacking scandal bothers him to no end as well. He is ultra sensitive and petty, and it bruises his ego to think many will always view his win/legitimacy with suspicion. He got so desperate, he even claimed the hacking could have been done by a 400 pound dude laying on his bed at home, and of course tried to have people believe Assange over the US intelligence community. That didn't fly to well.

    Then, there's this problem:

    Gallup: Trump has low approval rating to begin presidency - Business Insider

    Twitter is starting to not work so well for him when faced with the facts.
  5. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    I said no criminal penalties. If that were you, me, or anyone else outside the golden circle, we'd be convicted felons. I'd lose my job & pension for sure, and would likely do time in jail.

    Which she still can't accept, because it's the first time in her adult life that she hasn't been given preferential treatment that no one else outside D.C. would receive.
  6. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Are these the same pollsters who said that Trump had about the same chance of being President as I did? :lmao:

    Besides Trump's victory, the best thing about this election cycle is that the mainstream media and pollsters have officially jumped the shark into irrelevancy. They've been totally and completely exposed & discredited.
  7. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Well yeah. Nationally, Democrats have a slim majority of voters, while the House is safely Republican. There is a statistically significant bias in play. I mean, why would you even think there isn't?

    Besides, democracy doesn't mean that elections always produce right results. Sorry, but Hitler was a legitimate Chancellor. Democracy means the country can fix big mistakes without resorting to violence.
  8. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Uhuh. In Bannon we trust.

    Seriously, do you really see no problem in the situation you just described? Besides, persistent liberal bias is a myth (see Gore, Al; "swiftboating"; "Clinton reporting rules", "Trump, Donald J.").
  9. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    In other news....

    Build a Wall! Build a Wall! Buiild a Wall! Whose going to pay for it? Mexico!

    Estimated cost to build the wall Donald wants - 25 billion - And of course, it's going to be beautiful. :)


    I wonder how he is going to handle this promise? I guess he is saying the taxpayers will pay for it, then he will have an invoice drawn up, and Bam! Mexico will pay for it after it's done.

    Ah, ok.
  10. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    That's a fair point. I wouldn't miss the current mainstream media, but it's not like Breitbart is a replacement.
  11. Life Long Learning

    Life Long Learning Active Member

    I do not think Trump cares and why should he (I would not) as that's not the how the real games is played.

  12. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

  13. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Trump does not care about the ratings? C'mon man.:ponder:
  14. Life Long Learning

    Life Long Learning Active Member

    He is a 4 year President and turns it over to the VP I think. But I do not care as I am an Independent. Neither was a win for me.

  15. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    That the mainstream media has become a laughable fraud that actively collaborated with the DNC in the last election? Yeah, it's a problem.....for them.

    You can't possibly be serious????

  16. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Yeah, it's a positive windfall for Breibart and WorldNutDaily. It's a disaster for democracy when supporters of the opposite parties can't agree on what color the sky is. I believe that a majority of Trump voters think Dow Jones is now lower than when Obama took office.

    Huh, you mean Donna Brasille has a liberal bias? Who knew. What about CNN commentator Cory Lewandowski; stinking liberal, right?
    The media was devastating (and unfair) to Gore, tough on Hillary, and used kitty paws on Trump. Bias my ass.
  17. Life Long Learning

    Life Long Learning Active Member

    Progressives Love War

    Rep/Dem War (Afghanistan-Iraq) War Casualties 59,171 (6,831 KIA)

    Vote Independent
  18. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Scripted riots + scripted outrage + paid protestors = Scripted Fake News

    Title: Far Left Group Is Paying Activists a Monthly Salary to Stop TRUMP

    Author: Jim Hoft

    Snip: A far left group called "Demand Protest" is paying $2,500 a month for paid activists to stop Trump. Demand Protest are strategists who are mobilizing millennials for protests and training. Demand Protest is financially linked to Soros, but their website does not disclose that. The leftist "paid movement" is not grassroots because it always includes paid activists. The following is taken from their website:

    Snip: "We are strategists mobilizing millennials across the globe with seeded audiences and desirable messages. Absolute discretion is a top priority and our operatives create convincing scenes that become the building blocks of massive movements. When you need the appearance of outrage, we are able to deliver it at scale, while keeping your reputation intact."

    Website of "Demand Protest":

    Advertisement to pay protesters (operational on Jan. 16, 2017):
    Get paid fighting against Trump! - Tulsa miscellaneous jobs - backpage.com

    If the above leftist advertisement is removed from the internet, here is a saved photo of it:

    Full story:
    BREAKING: Far Left Group Is Paying Activists a Monthly Salary to Stop TRUMP
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  19. Life Long Learning

    Life Long Learning Active Member

    Leftwing hatred is every where right now! That's why the blue collar class voted against the Criminal.
  20. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Quote: "And note: The leftist mob is NEVER grassroots. It always includes paid activists." Yeah right.

    You know what's striking? Russian propaganda uses this line about protestors against the Kremlin and its clients since at least 2003 (protests in Georgia, Ukraine, and Kyrgyzstan). Remember: I did not find out about it from your "mainstream press"; I am a Ukrainian with some Russian roots as well. You can try to check if the English version of the reliable Ukrainskaya Pravda Óêðà¿íñüêà ïðàâäà - íîâèíè îíëàéí ïðî Óêðà¿íó | Óêðà¿íñüêà ïðàâäà goes back to 2003; I always read it in original Ukrainian. Soros even makes appearance as a villain, though usually it's U. S. Department of State. And we do know that Russia wages "information war" against the West, and that it prefers Trump for some reason (don't have to rely on Buzzfeed or the FBI on this either, just be willing to admit the obvious). So now there's the report that a Soros-backed professional operation is doing something as blatantly stoopid as hiring paid protesters. Color me dubious.

    Having said that: even you must admit this has nothing to do with Trump. He's a celebrity and cares about criticism and ratings; you are free to talk about more substantive issues. Like the fact that Russians did in fact interfere in American elections. Or the imaginary Trump healthcare plan, which he made sound as a single-payer system in an interview. That would be implausibly good, but also hilarious; I'd like to see the face of Paul Ryan reacting to something like this.

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