Did Russians successfully manipulate or change American votes?

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Did Russians successfully manipulate or change American votes?

Poll closed Feb 4, 2017.
  1. Russians hacked into American election-machines and illegally altered votes.

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  2. Russians hacked the DNC & exposed immorality or criminality, causing citizens to change their votes

  3. Russians DID psychologically make citizens change their votes with cyberwarfare & media manipulation

  4. Russians did NOT psychologically make citizens change their votes with cyberwarfare & manipulation

Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    How do you know that "Demand Protest" isn't a false flag operation designed to make people question the legitimacy of genuine leftist protesters?
  2. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    That's an excellent question. It will have to be researched and investigated for corroboration or refutation. At this juncture, it remains just a news article.
  3. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Here is the application form to be a "paid protester":


    "Paid protesters" are not grass roots uprisings!
  4. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    The website exists and paid protesting is not unknown. There are video interviews of protesters not knowing what they are protesting.
  5. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    OK, but who's behind it, and what's the significance of it? Who here thinks you can achieve major results with paid protesters? I can't imagine Soros throwing money at random people like that.

    Incidentally, the whole country of Russia is convinced that yes, you can topple governments by fake protesters and, implicitly, the people are unable to organize on their own. So both Ukraine's Maidans (2004 and 2014), and Georgia's Rose Revolution, as well as Bolotnaya Square protests in Moscow - all organized and paid for by the "Gosdep". Also, Russia's propaganda budgets are through the roof last 2 years; setting up that website is pocket change compared to RT network, Rossiya Segodnya & friends, and even the sustained comments sections trolling campaign.
  6. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    Often the taxpayer, unwittingly.

    Ask the protesters.

    I can't imagine him gleefully aiding Nazis. And yet...
  7. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Here is a secretly recorded YouTube showing Democratic leftists discussing how to bring chaos and destruction to the Donald Trump inauguration on January 20:


    The leftist-Democrats label themselves as "anti-fascists," but they are using Nazi tactics to bring chaos and destruction to achieve their ideology. The FBI already has possession of the YouTube.

    Full story:

    Left-Wing Activists Plot To Use Butyric Acid At Trump Event | The Daily Caller
  8. TomE

    TomE New Member

    I saw that Project Veritas video earlier today. As crazy as it is, the part that seems almost too ridiculous to be true is that they were allegedly conspiring at the Comet Pizza venue!

    Project Veritas normally drops these videos in multiple parts so I wouldn't be surprised if more related content was released in the next few days (probably quicker than normal given that the inauguration is only 3 days away).
  9. jhp

    jhp Member

    Get paid fighting against Trump! - New York miscellaneous jobs - backpage.com
  10. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

  11. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    It's a copy of the job ad posted earlier.
    Come to think of it, if Russians would engage in false fronts to discredit anti-Trump protest (and they have the inclination, funds, and the requisite flexibility of principles), they would look exactly like this Demand Protest outfit. It actually is hard to believe they would NOT do so; it fits their goals and methods to a T. In addition, let's not forget about the "vast right-wing conspiracy" and the fact that "ratf#cking" methods were invented in Nixon's camp, not Obama's.I of course know nothing about the organization in question, so I'll disregard this information as signifying nothing one way or another.
  12. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Yeah. "Heavily edited", James O'Keefe-produced video that even taking at face value only implicates the three individuals it depicts. I'd say they appear to have one or several screws loose.
    Even if the video is so compromised as to be essentially fake, it only underscores the fact that the divisive Trump campaign agitates both a wave of hate crime from the emboldened hard right and, potentially, the wannabe urban terrorists from the cookiest fringes on the left. And, oh, it also reveals there's a big event planned in DC called "The Deploraball". Classy.
  13. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    No sir, it's not a copy of the job ad that was posted earlier. The first ad was posted in Oklahoma City and the second ad is posted in Brooklyn (Manhattan). Here they are for a side-by-side comparison:

    1. Oklahoma ad: Get paid fighting against Trump! - Tulsa miscellaneous jobs - backpage.com
    2. New York ad: Get paid fighting against Trump! - New York miscellaneous jobs - backpage.com

    There are 12 different ads in 12 different cities (nationwide) advertising for "paid protestors." This is the same well-funded Democratic organization that hired "paid rioters" to rain-down destruction, chaos and mayhem on Trump rallies during the 2016 election process. Nothing has changed.
  14. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    12 different ads in 12 different cities that use copy-and-paste text and can be posted in , what, 10 minutes for a very modest fee? Puhlease. People who want to recruit real saboteurs would do it through existing fringe organizations (if they're desperate, someone like "New Black Panthers Party", which for the record is neither a party nor connected to the Black Panthers. They're a small group of thugs for hire) or in the Dark Internet, and pay in Bitcoin. On the other hand if someone wants YOU to find and read these ads, (s)he'll post them on the bulletin board for all to see (and for Google to index). This would be a very effective tactics for Olgino trolls* to manipulate the naïve users not used to such tactics.

    (* Olgino trolls - internet slang denoting paid Internet spammers working in Russian interests, usually privately-employed but Kremlin-financed. Named after early reports of an actual office space where these individuals, employed by a company called "Internet Research Agency", worked, which was in the outskirts of St. Petersburg, in the Olgino district. Apparently that office since moved elsewhere.)
  15. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Stanislav, please complete the following online application to be a paid anti-Trump protestor and please report back your findings:


    Paying people to protest Trump is not a grassroots uprising.
  16. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Sorry, not 10 minutes. 1 minute - they have a multi-city posting form, and it appears it's free at the moment. And, in addition, the classified ads site is under investigation for publishing underage sex ads (led by Sen. Kamala Harris, D-CA, as California's AG of all people).

    These ads are only successful as outrage porn, either by sheer stupidity or by intent. Next please. While at it, why don't you post any proof that Soros financed "Nazis" and explain how this was worth your attention, while the fact that the KKK national newsletter endorsed Trump was not.
  17. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    I am not eligible by virtue of being Canadian; otherwise I would probably protest for free and still would avoid associating with newfangled organizations I suspect being a Putin front. Why don't you do it.
  18. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

  19. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    There are lots of websites our there like "Demand Protest".

    Here's one, a long-established anarchist website, that is urging demonstrators to "Go Hard" on Friday, talking about roving bands of rioters planning to block streets in DC and about attempts to bring its public transit to a halt, apparently in hopes of preventing crowds from even getting to the inauguration parade. I expect that things like the inaugural balls will probably be disrupted, probably violently.


    Here's the main demonstration organizers' site:


    Here's a news story about it:

    Anti-Trump Activists Plan Road-Blocking 'Clusterf--k' for Inauguration | US News

    They aren't promising to pay rioters, but claim that some 500 rioters who were arrested in an earlier 'anti-globalization' riot (that's ironic, since Trump is anti-globalization) supposedly received $18,000 each from the DC police from a lawsuit settlement.

    These people seem totally oblivious to the fact that this shit plays right into Donald Trump's hands. Trump is a billionaire, and he will be occupying the most powerful position in the world. But he's successfully been able to play the underdog man-of-the-people going up against the elites.

    How does he manage to do it? Because all the elites are so eager to trash him. University professors, mainstream journalists, every sort of pundit, every sort of entertainment celebrity, the Republican establishment, all of them. It's no trouble at all for Trump to play the insurgent, the outsider, because it's obvious that's precisely what he is. (Obama promised "Change", but now we finally have it and the elites aren't happy.)

    If violent left-wing rioters leave Trump's supporters bloody once again (it's nothing new), if there are fatalities, looting and arson, then the rest of the United States, especially the 30 states that he carried, will rally to him and probably support him all the more.

    Of course, nothing might happen on Friday. This year's Republican National Convention was supposed to be targeted too, but that turned out to be all bluff.
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  20. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    So to sum up, there are many websites like Demand Protest that are nothing like Demand Protest. Gotcha.

    Coming from the different direction: there are many websites and discussion boards where the right-wing "militia members" are yapping about rising up and overthrowing The Gubmint. Why is it surprising that there are leftie counterparts? To be clear: while there might be times for violent resistance to the tyranny, now is not such time, by a long stretch.

    Yah, because he's attacked by the fringe, he's standing up to THE ELITES. Gotcha. At least when people used "global elites" to refer to "the Jews" there's some consistency to it.

    To the larger point: the elites largely agree that the bubonic plague is bad; this does not mean the masses shall revolt and bring back the plague. Besides, as a foreigner, it strikes that you living in the greatest country on Earth makes this rage against "elites" rather odd. Even odder is electing The Donald as opposed to middle-class-born-and-raised HRC to "stick it to The Elites".

    I'm pretty sure nothing major will happen on Friday. Other than the lame ass Inauguration festivities, and a few peaceful (and also lame ass) protest rallies.

    Having this cleared up, back to the topic: it appears Russkie did in fact committed a cyberattack to help their boy Trump win the elections. Thoughts?

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