DETC and RA

James

I and others have pointed out the falsehoods you keep repeating. You continue to ignore the questions asked of you and merely keep repeating false arguements. Until you respond to the questions asked, I am done trying to discuss these ideas with you. It does not mean I won't call you on the falsehoods you post.

 

People who know little about DL come here looking for advice on program choice. They might be reading this thread today, or they might be reading it five years from now. It is doing a disservice to those people to say that DETC accreditation is just as good as RA. While DETC accredited education might be equivalent, or maybe even superior in some cases, the utility of the degree is certainly not.

A DETC school might be an excellent choice for some people. But encouraging people to make that choice based on inaccurate information does a disservice not only to the student but also to the DETC schools, and to DETC itself.

 

Jeff:

I agree about informing others who come here about the utility of the degree, but if you think the quality is as good then say so. The problem is RA not letting DETC in, even if it is as good. The good ole boy network that is protecting it's turf. Everybody hates it when Augusta does it, and this is the same kind of situation. If the quality, and oversight is not as good then that is one thing, but I have not seen that argument much here.

Regards,

Scott

 

I totally understand what your point is Jack. I must concede that when I made my analysis I was just making an attempt to compare a big three RA with a DETC from my experience with the two.

You make a good point that a portion of the analysis is open to interpretation, but I was utilizing my experience. It's all I can base my case on.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed my experience at TESC but I had a computer class that was outdated which was delivered by TESC.

There is nothing underhanded about the analysis. I see an ongoing endless dispute and I just wanted to add a little experience instead of riding the endless loop we were on.

I see (opinion) some positives in my DETC college that are better than the big three RA college I was in.

I saw ( opinion) some positives that were in the big three RA that were better than the DETC college I am in.

All opinion, but somewhat more factual than a shot in the dark.

 

That is nonsense, and you know it. Many here (including myself) have spoken very highly of some DETC schools.

Like it or lump it, there is much less acceptance of DETC degrees in academia than RA degrees. Wishing it wasn't so isn't going to change anything, and beating the subject to death certainly isn't winning many converts to your side.

 

And telling people about the limitations of DETC and at the same time touting the Big Three is telling it like it is. The DETC schools are better educators than the lowest tier of RA/DL schools. Teenagers can get a college degree faster than they can finish high school by using the Big Three, not possible at the DETC schools where new learning is required to EARN a degree.

 

Tis my belief. Many here are RA only.

If my math is correct I think you have posted to this thread more than me. I never said DETC has as much utility, but if they apply the same standards as RA then they should be equivalent. I only stated that if the standards, and oversight are equal then the utility should be. Shouldn't it? Why would DETC be excluded other than to keep the good ole boy thing going?

I agree with Dave in that you cannot compare AMU to COSC, or Georgia Tech. to Grantham. DETC has some good schools, but is not quite at the level of RA. If that was acknowledged then this thread could have been over long ago, but you can't knock DETC, and expect those who are attending those institutions not to defend them.

 

You jump to the conclusion that the academia world is THE world. It's just a piece of the world. The jobs are in the private sector. Millions of businesses out there everyday hiring new people. These are the 98% who know nothing about this RA or nothing that exists on degreeinfo. This is just a small inbred, self reinforcing nest, that pumps each other up with self importance. It doesn't matter how much you shout RA-RA. No one but this little group hears you. The state approved schools in California graduate more students each year than will ever hear your views on DL. The fact that you see your views as a special thing is the very weakness that is present here. Free speech is here whether you like it or not, and your views are not the law, but just one person's opinion. Your voice represents the voice of one among the 280 million people of this country. No one other than degreeinfo has proclaimed RA as king, not GAAP- not CHEA- not USDOE. They are the accreditors not degreeinfo., and they say DETC and its schools are accredited, making NO distinctions between any accreditors.

 

Thank you plcscott you are quite correct.

DETC is what it is, but don't write the students and universities off. I'll defend my university as I haven't experienced anything substandard. If I did, I would transfer out and post it here. I have nothing to gain either way. I just enjoy learning at my school and it has given me a quality education so far. It happens to be a DETC university.

It isn't Princeton or UCLA, but it is an accredited, legitimate university. DETC does have some good universities.

 

Thank you for providing such an excellent example of a straw man argument.

Bruce did not jump to any conclusions. Perhaps that is what you inferred, but it is not the case. He simply said "...there is much less acceptance of DETC degrees in academia than RA degrees... This is a fact. Even DETC agrees.

And you follow it up with such an excellent example of an ad hominem argument. Good work.

And blatant degree mills "graduate" more "students" than will ever hear of California state approved schools. Your point is?

Damn! And I was all ready to pass the Degreeinfo Patriot Act!

And the 99%+ of US college students who choose RA schools.

Yes, and Yugo passed the USDOT standards. Would you drive a Yugo? I heard that Yugo did a survey, and of those Yugo owners who wished to drive their car, 2/3 were successful.

 

Which is exactly why forums like this one are so important. It is very important to know the difference between RA, DETC, and other forms of accreditation. Go back through the archives and read how many people almost fell for a degree mill until they came here and found out what accreditation is all about.

And, once again, like it or lump it, there are many instances where a DETC degree is not acceptable. Every Master's program that I applied to (UMass-Lowell, Boston University, Suffolk University, Western New England College, and Anna Maria College) specified a regionally accredited Bachelor's degree for admission. What is a DETC degree holder supposed to do then? Take comfort that some guy who calls himself "James" on DegreeInfo will rail against the situation?

Actually, we pump out good information and advice (see my first paragraph). No matter what you do or say, one can't go wrong with a degree from a RA school. I don't see what's so hard to understand about that.

And what happens to those people? More than one graduate of a CA-approved school has shown up here to complain that they'd been had. How many RA degree holders have you seen do that?

I never stated my views were special. And, BTW, you're way off on "free speech". You have no such right here, you register and post and the pleasure of the owner, moderators, and administrators. Since I happen to be an administrator, I could delete your account and posting history with a few keystrokes, and you'd have no recourse whatsoever other than to yell at your computer and send us nasty e-mails. So step off the soap box, because the law lesson is now over.

Actually, it seems that the great majority of RA schools have proclaimed the same thing. If I had a DETC undergrad degree, I would have been rejected at all the grad schools to which I applied. What does that tell you?

 

I have got to say that is a good one.

 

Are we trying to discuss quality of education? If that is the case then comparing against "the big three schools" is comparing apples and oranges because education is not what "the big three schools" are famous for. They do what I'll call credentialling. They allow the "student" to prove that they already have the education and then the school provides the credential.

If we are discussing credentialling then RA is superior to DETC because the credentials have more utility.

If we are discussing quality of education then I think that it has been agreed by most everyone that there is very likely some overlap between the (third?) fourth tier and at least some of the DETC, if not all of them. (after all there are so absolutely FEW DETC schools that I guess there must be some bottom of the barrel RA schools that are in danger of loosing their accreditation that may be worse than any DETC school.

What seems to have been forgotten here by some is that we're talking about probably less than one tenth of one percent of the DETC schools compared to RA. While each school is important in their own right, I'm saying that arguing that DETC is some big wave of the future or something is ridiculous. From the big picture of higher education within the USA, DETC is nothing more than a very minor footnote.

 

I Agree, but how can DETC become a player if they are shot down by the RA folks. How could a small company get into the computer operating system business if Microsoft shuts them out. It is unlikely to happen. Is that right?

 

Your lies offer no threat to me. Your small minded views of education prove nothing more than the smallness of your own position. You seek to make yourself bigger by stepping on people with state approved degrees and DETC degrees. To stand on anothers shoulders trying to build yourself up is not strength but extreme weakness. You are afraid to hear the words of RJT so you attack him like animals. You go after Plcscott because you don't want to hear his words. You do the same to anyone not holding your views. Trying to silence people by shouting at them no longer works. I will not be sidetracked by your OPINIONS. You demand to be heard as from GOD. Your views are yours and yours alone. As to questions when did you answer about the BIG THREE? You sold them down the drain refusing to even defend the very schools so often recommended here. They are not really schools but some crap about birds and cats. They are RA schools either defend them as being part of the RA family or say you don't like them. They are lower tier RA/DL colleges and they do exist and do count. Either they offer education or they are legal mills. DETC schools and some California approved schools offer more education than do the Big three. Teenagers get degrees easier and faster than they can get their high school diplomas. Show me mister RA or no way, the quality education being delivered by the big three. Just how do they teach more than any DETC school?The big three couldn't even be accredited by the DETC or state approved in California without requiring new work. No, the days of bullying people have ended. You might as well get used to a new day. Diversity is here to stay, your world here on degreeinfo has just gotten bigger!!!

 

Conspiracy? Are you being serious? Conspiracy? Doesn't it make far more sense that DETC is so insignifacantly small that not everyone has heard of it, investigated it and decided that it is acceptable. It is a relative unknown. I'm sure that there is no vast conspiracy of thousands of schools trying to push down DETC.

 

James, thanks for the belly laugh!

 

That is real professional. If you do not want to play my way then I will take my ball and go home. It seems I was told the same thing when criticizing KW on the KW Pub forum.

James, if I were you I would post my beliefs, and if you get kicked off for them then so be it.

 

I believe that Bruce is not saying that he will ban any particular user or delete any posts. I believe that he is simply saying that there is no right to free speech in a private forum. Constitutional guarantees to freedom of speech do not apply here, just as they do not apply in your own home.

As far as "taking his ball and going home," in those terms, this is his home. If someone wants to eject you from their home, they have every right to do so, for whatever reason they choose.

It seems to me that the admistrators here are very tolerant of opposing viewpoints. As far as I know, they only ban blatant shills.