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  1. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member


    Missionary work?
     
  2. portb71

    portb71 New Member

    Actually just as this forum helps DL seekers, I do believe that each of my posts specifically may also help people - the crack about missionary work from another poster notwithstanding. Blunt honesty is better than candy coated niceties when your academic credentials are on the line and future earnings power and opportunities at stake.

    Each and every one of my posts are carefully constructed to adhere to facts and state that it is opinion when it is opinion. I am honest to a fault. But I try to be civil and I respect people regardless of their credentials. It is the credentials themselves and their providers I am more concerned with.

    When you state that I trumpet the University of Maryland in many of my posts that is only partially correct. I have been correcting misinformation that a degree from UMUC was equivalent to a degree from UMD, regardless of whether said degrees come in the form of traditional or DL formats. And I have focused on UMUC specifically because it is a popular topic on these boards, but the point spreads to any similar situation involving other university systems. This has larger implications: you spend a great deal of money and want to be apprised of what you're getting. Some people may not be aware of what they're getting.

    Your other point--putting down DL. I submit that I have stated over and again that as long as the standards for admission, quality of classmates, professor quality and degree received is the same as that received on the ground, I have no problem wiht DL at all. In fact, I am in this site because I have interest in DL programs myself -- so long as it fits these criteria.

    As administrator, you are clearly very knowlegable. Consider rereading the long post I took some effort to make, and address the points there. You may find I am not a one issue poster, nor someone who simply puts down all forms of DL.

    A lot of posters on this forum have misconceptions about how certain programs are accepted in the real world. I am no expert, but I can be of help given my experience as a real world recruiter and academic who has reviewed more resumes than I care to admit.

    Best Regards.
     
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  3. plcscott

    plcscott New Member

    I hope this is contagious. It would be a nice if we all caught this virus.
     
  4. Gus Sainz

    Gus Sainz New Member

    Ah, yes, but who here among us is so dispassionate as to be able to disassociated himself or herself from any criticism of his or her credentials and the institution that awarded them? Moreover, what is to be done when someone cannot differentiate between criticism of the credential and the provider and criticism of the individual?

    Civility often turns a blind eye toward deviant behavior. Unacceptable behavior hides under the cover afforded by political correctness. Nice is overrated. For example, supposing an individual, recently arrived to this forum, were to tout his or her fraudulent credentials, and everyone was to simply say, “Oh, that’s nice.” That individual would give himself or herself a congratulatory pat on the back and continue to post how wonderful his or her alma mater was (thus misleading others to commit the same mistake).

    This forum has a history of giving those who flaunt fraudulent credentials a hard time (not just a hard time, but a hard time that borders on the embarrassing and insulting). So much so, that some of these individuals who originally professed and obtusely argued the premise that their degree was legitimate, decided it is really in their best interest (and actually necessary if they were to maintain a modicum of integrity), to actually pursue a legitimate degree.

    My hat goes off to those individuals who exhibit such courage and integrity. However, they should not bite the hand that fed them by denigrating the process by which they were incited to such actions. The most persuasive arguments are always laden with emotion.
     
  5. plcscott

    plcscott New Member

    I am sure this was meant to provoke, so here you go. Once again another post by Gus who admits he likes to embarass, and insult people because of their credentials. At least I have the balls to be honest about mine. I do not think you have any, in fact you may have had yours removed. Could that be what motivates you? Feel like less of a man. Let me ask once more Gus. Where is your RA degrees from that you have claimed? I will repeat some of your quotes:

     
  6. Jeff Hampton

    Jeff Hampton New Member

    I do have to say that there are a significant number of people who post here who have earned/are earning a DETC degree who fully understand, and for the most part agree with, the criticisims leveled against DETC degrees.

    As for graduates from schools like K-W, I believe there is a 12 step plan. Most here have not made it past the first step. (Raise your hand if you know what that is...)
     
  7. plcscott

    plcscott New Member

    If you are at all referring to me then I expect that you will show where I have flaunted fradulent credentials. In fact my first post were negative toward the credential that you are talking about. However, I have given you a lot of information to throw out every chance you get. I have given you my RA associates degree, specific courses taken there, and at a 4 year RA school. My unaccredited school info., and my current leanings. Are you here to advise, or attack? If you want to be of help that is welcome, and if you want to attack that is also welcome. If attack is your intentions then win or lose I will give it everything I got, so bring it.

    Thanks for looking out for me again, my Bunkie. I can assure you that you had nothing to do with my recent interest. I have about as much respect for you as, well I have no respect for you how is that? :D :D

    Your Bunkie,

    Scott
     
  8. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    I agree with 90% of what Gus says in this post, but also believe there is value in presenting your view point without antagonism. I am guilty of not always presenting my own positions in the most accepting manner.

    As for Portb, he makes some great points but also misses the mark on some. I don't have the time to reply now, but will when I can.
     
  9. kf5k

    kf5k member

    Gus- I see you now claim to benefit your victims by your attacks. I'm sure everyone who has been blessed by one of your character attacks really thanks you. You seem unable to disagree with any person without insulting them. How can you possibly claim any virtue in these bitter, mean bashings?

    Advice is like snow; the softer it falls, the longer it dwells upon and the deeper it sinks into the mind.
    -- Samuel T Coleridge
     
  10. Gus Sainz

    Gus Sainz New Member

    You have fallen prey to the belief that a lie, repeated often enough, is thought to be true. Do a search of this forum and find me a post where I attacked anyone's character without being attacked first (and even then, you have your work cut out for you). I attack ideas. I attack fraudulent schools and credentials. I understand some might take this personally, but that's their problem. That's exactly what we are here to discuss. Moreover, I do reserve the right to make fun of and mock those who insult my intelligence, and a surefire way of doing that is repeating the same message (or accusation) over and over again without any corroborating evidence and well after it has been proven false. Volume is no substitute for veracity.

    Interestingly, the one accusation that you do not see being leveled against me is that something I said (accompanied by the appropriate quoted) was untrue. What do you think those who can’t make that accusation, yet are hurt or insulted by what I said, going to say and do? :rolleyes:
     
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  11. portb71

    portb71 New Member

    From my perspective arguments often must be laden with emotion -- my cynicism of institutions that pretend to be something they're not is very real and oozes in my posts. Call me an elitist with a populist guilt complex on a mission. While I try not to make an argument personal, I'll not lie about the reality of the world in order to make people feel better about themselves. It serves no one any purpose to candy-coat the world to fellow adults. I'll reserve that type of dishonesty for my infant child.
     
  12. plcscott

    plcscott New Member

    Gus:

    If anyone is to get credit for causing me to look into the big three it would not be you so do not flatter yourself.


     
  13. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    The problem with that line of thinking is that some schools (the "Big Three" for example) have no "on the ground" programs. It's all DL. Does your way of thinking automatically make degrees from these schools worthless?

    As someone who has been here since the very beginning, I can safely say that the great, even overwhelming, majority of people who come here for advice simply need or want a legitimately accredited degree. They aren't looking to land an executive position with a Fortune 500 company. If they needed a prestige degree, they probably wouldn't have come here in the first place.
     
  14. c.novick

    c.novick New Member


    plcscott,

    1. If my memory serves me correctly, you have always been very honest about KW. You have even stated you were annoyed at their deceptive marketing techniques. You have not recommended them since you learned their history.

    2. You came here looking to improve your education to one of the big three (RA) in the first place. I remember helping you with some TESC information prior to all of this.

    2(a). You are looking to improve your education inspite of the fact you own your own business. I admire that.

    3. You have been upfront and honest about your education history.

    4. You have been protective of people being treated fairly here.
    (not the mill shills, but the regulars).


    The way I see it, I have a lot of respect for you and your unput here. I hope you can find an RA program at one of the big three, if that is the direction you are going in.

    Highest regards and thank you. :)
     
  15. Gus Sainz

    Gus Sainz New Member

    I never took credit for your alleged turnaround. I simply said that if someone were to receive praise rather than a hard time, they might never chose to pursue a legitimate degree. If you want to credit Tom Nixon, that’s fine with me. Witness the following exchange.

    To answer your question, what you call “crap” (one man’s crap is another man’s factual information) has indeed induced a few individuals to pursue a legitimate degree, but perhaps more importantly, it has steered many more away from making a bad choice to begin with. One day, if you ever learn enough about distance education, you too might be able to help others.
     
  16. plcscott

    plcscott New Member

    Help others?

    Is that what you do?

    You try to provoke people, and start fights. You do not help people.

    Tom, Mark, Dave, Mike, John, Andy, Bill, Bruce, and many others here try to help others.

    Did you help Greg? A newbie with a RA bachelor looking for an easy RA master. You jumped on him with both feet. Looking for a fight. I do not know if I helped him, or not but he sure seemed to appreciate it. I did not give him advice, but I pointed to people that could, and that know more than I do. I never claimed to know much about distance education, but I know a antagonist when I see one. I know a hypocrite when I see one. More than that we all know when someone is trying to help, and when someone is trying to start a fight don't we? :D
     
  17. plcscott

    plcscott New Member

    Gus:

    You are like the heckler at the ballgame who is constantly screaming at the players, and the managers telling them how sorry they are, and how they can't play ball while never having been in a ballgame. The kind of guy who never receives a pat on the back because his hand is in the way. Is that what is wrong? You have an inferiority complex? Are you just a wannabe?

    Your Bunkie,

    Scott
     
  18. portb71

    portb71 New Member

    No. Not worthless. Less valuable than degree from traditional Universities that offer some DL and about on par with traditional Continuing Education Divisions of major universities that offer some DL programs. At least from a recruiter/academic perspective.

    If, for example you'd like an MBA to enhance your marketability, but want to do it online, you'd be sensible to apply to one of the limited few schools that offer top ranked MBA's on-line: ie Duke-Fuqua School of Business. That is just a fact of life, not an indictment of the quality of Continuing Ed schools or DL Only Schools.

    By the way, who is "the big three"? Excuse the ignorance of said terminology.
     
  19. Gus Sainz

    Gus Sainz New Member

    Once again, I post a message concerning distance education or the general functioning of this forum (with specific quotes to prove my point), and an anonymous troll responds with not one, but two posts that are nothing more than ad hominem attacks.

    The troll professes not to know anything about distance education, but has, in the last month alone, inundated this forum with about 250 messages posted at all hours of the day and night. (For the sake of comparison, I’ve been here for 30 months, and I have posted a total of 850 messages.) What can anyone surmise from this?
     
  20. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    "The Big Three" - a group of so-called assessment colleges, major providers of external undergraduate degrees - Excelsior College, Thomas Edison State College, Charter oak State College. They accept up to 100% transfer credits and wide variety of credit-by-exam.

    On your points, I disagree. There are more than one way to enhance your marketability, not all of them include graduating from "top 10" MBA program. Many prominent posters here are examples. I bet that say Dr. Douglas (MBA grad of National U., school aiming at working adults, with little to none academic reputation) never got nor seeked employment in "competitive" MBA occupations: Big 6 business consulting, finance or investment banking. But he has all the "marketability" he needs. Another example would be Dr. Borchers, who built his teaching career with "inferior" DL doctorate.
     

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