California Coast/DETC News

I think industry, education, and govt are all smiling their approval, not to mention students and alumni. I think the student body and alumni are still the smart and accomplished people they always were! Still, some neeners will point out that graduates as of Jan 9, hold unaccredited State Approved degrees, but this doesn't amount to a fart in a wind storm in the real world. All schools are unaccredited at some point in their life cycle. The important point is that the alma mater is accredited.

 

Exactly what do you mean by this, or are you just being antagonistic?

Either I do not understand most of your post, or they are mostly digs to stir up something. This thread should be a positive discussion of CCU and it's achievement shouldn't it?

 

Hey Rod

DETC Accreditation effects only current students, not those who have already graduated. There needs to be a way to bring all those into the fold. I am goint to post an email here I received last month from Susan Relly of DETC/
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Dear Mr. Hill:

Thank you for your recent e-mail. California Coast University is not accredited by the DETC. Please see below for further information on CCU's application for accreditation.

The Accrediting Commission of the Distance Education and Training Council met on June 5, 2004 and carefully considered the application for accreditation for California Coast University. The Commission deferred action on the University's application until its January 2005 meeting to allow time for the University to further demonstrate and document that it is in full compliance with all DETC standards and to complete a number of the actions outlined in the institution's response to the Chair's Report from DETC's examination of the University.

It is not uncommon for the Accrediting Commission, and at times the institution itself, to find that additional time is needed for the institution to develop and put in place appropriate policies and procedures to meet the DETC's standards and to collect the data necessary to satisfactorily document compliance with the standards. It is up to the applying institution to document to the satisfaction of the Accrediting Commission that each one of the DETC's published Standards and Policies for Accreditation are met.

It is impossible for the DETC (and the applying institution) to predict the outcome of any school's application for accreditation. Accreditation is a voluntary process and while it is the goal of the DETC staff to guide each and every applicant successfully through the accreditation process, there is no guarantee that every applicant will be accredited at some time in the future.

The Accrediting Commission has four options when an application and supporting documentation are presented to them for their action. One is to accredit. Two is to accredit with stipulations (particular actions the school must agree to take in order to meet DETC's standards and policies). Three is to defer action on an application until further documentation is brought forward by the school which convinces the Commission that the school meets all standards and policies (the school has one year to complete the process). The fourth action is to deny accreditation...in this case the Commission believes that it would take a school longer than the one year allowed period to make necessary changes to meet the DETC's standards and policies.

It is also important to note, that accreditation begins from the date it is awarded by the Commission. Accreditation does not go back in time, only forward. There is no grandfathering in of past graduates. Only graduates of institutions after it date of accreditation can attest to their degree being accredited. Future accreditation will not cover future graduates of California Coast University's previously offered doctorate level programs.

It is DETC's policy to publicly announce only Initial Accreditation and Denial of Accreditation Actions. Deferrals are generally not announced and the institution, if they choose to proceed, remains on our list of applicants during the deferral period. The above announcement is being made with California Coast University's permission in response to a large number of inquiries received by DETC from members of the public.

We ask that any requests for additional information regarding California Coast University's plans and status be directed to the institution.

Best regards,
Sue Reilly

Susan M. Reilly
Director of Accreditation
Accrediting Commission of the
Distance Education and Training Council
http://www.detc.org
E-mail: [email protected]
202-234-5100, ext. 103

 

Rich: we are going in circles. I have already pointed out that the State of California has approved CCU's doctorate programs and there are many in academia with CCU doctorates, some with DBAs. You can only speculate that SA doesn't mean much or that these individuals were hired for some other reason. I don't have time to debate this with you further.

Enjoy the playoffs. Cheers.

 

As I said, Sense, the pressure is getting higher.

 

Hi Dr. Latin Juris,

I have followed your posts, especially on another board, and have generally enjoyed them, especially the Latinisms since I love this language.

But, I have to tell you, on this board I have no earthly idea what in the Tartaros you are speaking about or trying to convey.

Regards,

 

I can't. I'm from San Diego!

You're a fair guy, Rod, even if we disagree. Later.....

 

From "another channel":

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Dennis Ruhl

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With eveyone on another channel denying what they clearly said about CCU, I decided to look for proof. I can't get the search function at DI to go before Dec 19/04. So much for proving anything.
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I distinctly remember some "experts" opining something about a cold day in hell or somesuch... this was before 6/03 which shut a lot of people up or changed their tune. Media and the Feds continued to rag on them though, but mostly due to ignorance or stupidity or the business politics of big education. Up until yesterday, I noted that some individuals used the "hmmm... interesting" implied threat technique as if they were uncovering some sort of shenanigan to report to the proper authorities, which might derail the "candidacy!!!" proceedings... What can you say, some folks just can't stand someone else's progress, especially if it does not conform to their way of thinking.

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Kirkland is slightly right. The lie direct belonged to Dennis Ruhl, as the quoted material above shows. Kirkland only colluded in it and took pains to quote it in his own post. My profuse apologies. Of course, the "implied threat" and the "just can't stand..." comments, viewed in the context in which they were made, are equally untrue and equally intended to disparage this board, where the gentleman expects to post without criticism, while dishing out ad hominem attacks.

 

Oregon website!

So now we will see how long it's gonna take for the Oregon's website to have CCU name remove from their list..Cheers for CCU!!!



Kozen

 

A CONTRARIO SENSU

not fail to remember the discriminatory, DAMNUN MALEDICE libelous, defamatory, with no an Administrative Due Process, Michigan Inventory.

I anticipate that in the earliest working hours of tomorrow, they are going to remove the DIFFAMATIO outrageous cataloging.

 

Thank you, accepted. You shouldn't take exception to this general comment which is not directed to anyone in particular. If the shoe fits some then so be it, they know who they are. There may be a few picayune types I had in mind, who appear in various boards, so it certainly doesn't impugne this board. I am entitled to my observations.

If you look further into Dennis' comment, he is not implying anything other than he can't get the search function to work. Let's not over-react, cheers. Half-time, Minnesota looks pretty good but go Packers!

 

What an amusing post! Dr. Latin Jurist is so disappointed to see that no one at Degreeinfo is upset that CCU has become DETC accredited that he is making desperate (and sad) attempts to drum up emotion and rage where none exists--Lo siento.

I am happy for CCU. After 30 years of being a legal institution that has managed to avoid some of the disasters that have befallen other institutions and having made sufficient changes to its program, it's work has paid off. CCU bachleor and masters graduates after 1/10/05 can rightly claim to possess an accredited degree. Unfortunately, holders of degrees prior to 1/10/05 and all CCU doctoral holders cannot claim (at least not legally) to possess an accredited degree.

I participated in a thread where Dr. Steve Levicoff and I were describing the instance of a doctorate awarded by CCU (under its old name of California Western University). Steve claimed that the person received his degree from a diploma mill (i.e. California Western University as it exsited in 1976). Knowing the person and circumstances of the degree (given in a subject in which CWU was not licensed to offer and based on a previously published book), I would agree that it was not a legitimate doctorate. However, the California Coast University of 2005 is a far different institution than it was in 1976.

I agree that the new CCU website is a vast improvement, although I wish that they would post information about their faculty and staff on the website. Congratulations to California Coast University!

Tony Piña
Northeastern Illinois University

 

Personally, I would put a finer point on this. I would consider graduates of CCU that complete a program of study that adhered to the changes that the DETC required for accreditation to possess an accredited degree. Even if the degree was awarded after the institution achieved accreditation, I would consider that degree to be “unaccredited” if the student completed a program of study that the DETC considered unacceptable for accreditation.

Once again, I know this is not the way it is formally viewed, nor does it matter much in the grand scheme of things (considering that even students that graduated from CCU when it was it was unaccredited will benefit from its recent accreditation); it is just an informed personal perspective.

 

Degree vs. School Accreditation

Mr. Boyd and Others:

First, Congrats to CCU. I have a question. I recently heard that a degree cannot be accreditated, just the school. That "degree accreditation" is a minomer. Can anyone share their insights on this academic issue.

Thank You

Oscar

 

Re: Degree vs. School Accreditation

That's correct. A person who earned a degree from CCU before today has earned a degree from an unaccredited school, not an unaccredited degree. But the term "unaccredited degree" is a convenient shortcut.

None of the above changes the status of prior CCU graduates. But CCU's DETC accreditation will likely help them anyway, even the doctorate holders.

 

what is the So process for transcript request?

Lets say a person who earned BBA at CCU in 2002 needs his transcript sent to another DETC accredited university.

Will the transcript state year of accreditation or it will be a standard transcript to all ?

Thanks,

Learner

 

The transcript will have the date the degree was awarded. But it normally would not have the date the school was accredited. (Schools often attach explanation sheets with each transcript, but I don't know if that information would include accreditation date.) But if someone took the trouble to look up the school's accrediation date, one could connect the dots. But it seems unlikely that would happen in most cases.

 

I suppose I would rather have a degree from a school that gained accreditation after I graduated than from one that was accredited when I graduated and had since lost its accreditation.

I think the public perception would be that the unaccredited school worked towards acceptable standards while the once-accredited school became complacent and/or laxed.

This thought occurred to me after someone mentioned LaSalle Extension lost its DETC accreditation.

 

Tony, the catalog is downloadable under the Request Info tab, you'll find faculty descriptions and the list of staff there.

 

Thank you, Rod. I read it and it was a far cry from the CCU that I first new a couple of decades ago (when the four Deans were the only instructional faculty at the school).

CCU will now be a much more viable option for many learners.

Tony Pina
Administrator, Northeastern Illinois University