California Coast/DETC News

I feel the hurt, the pain and the discomfort.

Is in TOTIDEM VERBIS

 

Dr. Latin:

Respectfully, I wish you would stick to English here. You use so many phases that I do not understand, and sure do not care to try to figure out.

I realize you seem to get a woody out of criticizing this forum, the ODA, the gov't, and the accreditors, but I wish you would make your post easier to read.

 

What a very nice and professional looking site. It would almost appear they had some knowledge they would get accredited or at least had the site ready to go in case they were granted accreditation.

At $162 per credit hour, the masters' programs look very apetizing! I'd almost forgo an accredited theological master's for a M.S. in psychology. It's very tempting!

But, with a DETC M.S. in community health with about half the program in behavioral sciences, I may go ahead with the accredited theological degree.

There is so much to do in life, educationally, if one only had all the funds to do it!

 

Rich, I am sensing you are beginning to hyperventilate with your point by point. The California Post Secondary Education Commission and the BPPVE doesn't agree with you. I feel your pain.

"Governmental opinion matters not at all..."

ungodammbelievable... you will be quoted on that one!!!

oh, and another thing, CCU does a great job in their new website. Good presentation of the doctoral program issue in the FAQ section too. www.calcoast.edu

 

Dr. Hayes, you told a lie about me (as well as everyone else on your list, I would assume). It is your lie about what I said. I know that I never called CCU a degree mill because I never thought that CCU was a degree.

I understand that you're ignorant when it comes to doing searches on Google (based on a previous fiasco). So if I ever did call CCU a mill as you (and apparently others) have lied then the proof that you want is there in the search that I provided you. You made a false statement. I provided you the search that could prove that I'm lying and you told the truth. You lied, "Sainz, Hayden, Huffman and Contreras who constantly referred to CCU as a mill". I provided 105 (or 106?) pages in the Google taget list. If I really did "constantly" refer to CCU as a degree mill then it should be easy to find.

Your argument that just because others are telling the same lie somehow makes it the truth is the type logic that I would expect from a gang of liars. You know the saying about "birds of a feather"?

 

Well, it's true and correct, DETC has accredited CCU.

Time to move on.

What other schools made the cut?

 

The CCU DBA is not a reasonable doctorate from the academic standard perspective. The government opinion that CCU could offer this to people does not make it acceptable from that academic standard perspective. The fact that DETC has accredited CCU does not make it bona fide because DETC required that CCU drop the program.

 

Re: DETC; kicking the butt of some people

Say it again Dr.!!! The new webiste is awesome!!!!

Hay como duele papi!!!!! he he he!!!

Abner

 

I think that its great for Cal Coast that it apparently got accredited, however belatedly. But I'm not sure that inducting a rather weak applicant that happens to fascinate discussion boards is necessarily a 100% positive thing for DETC and for the other schools it accredits.

If DETC and its schools have ambitions of being perceived as the academic equal of the RA crowd, and particularly if they have ambitions of offering doctorates, then they need to think about adding some higher-profile members and even more importantly, they need to work on increasing DETC's scholarly participation.

Adding longtime non-accredited schools with somewhat doubtful reputations runs the risk of making DETC look like the accreditor of last resort, home to schools that would never make the cut with RA.

Frankly, I think that DETC was in an unenviable 'damned if we do, damned if we don't' situation here. If Cal Coast really did work hard to improve and if they really did come around to meeting DETC standards, then it wouldn't have been fair to reject them. But adding them doesn't contribute much to DETC's image either.

 

Servants of the Druj

What I really cannot figure out is why Kirkland turns around and lies about this board on "another channel." His latest lie is that all the negative posts here about CCU have been removed from the archives or whateverthehell you call it. How such malarkey helps CCU is beyond me.

And, no, I have no objection to anyone posting wherever they like. The esteemed Dr Bear and the industrious Dr Clifton both post on "another channel," but without twofacedly saying one thing here and then immediately saying the opposite there.

I am sure CCU is a good enough school, Tom Neal a good enough school owner, its faculty good enough faculty, and most of its students good enough students.

To whatever extent CCU had a poor rep created in these parts, it is not by its strong critics (plural? only the distinguished Dr Levicoff comes readily to mind, but then Dr Levicoff has never said an unmemorable thing), but by the antics of (one hopes) a small, weird, crabbed minority among its students, some openly expressing their intent to deceive about having an "accredited" doctorate, and some, well, in the words of William Howard Taft (the Chief Justice, not the law school) "only God knows."

I continue to wish CCU all the best as it lurches from grace to glory.
May it be unimpaired by any of its defenders.

 

Re: Servants of the Druj

Uncle Janko... excuse me? you are confused (I won't say you are a liar, yet)... I have never said anything about removed posts, here or anywhere... if you wish to discuss something with me, do so in private, such as when you have provided your support and apologies in the past. Being accused of lying deserves some consideration.

 

Message from Tom Neal at CCU

Hi Guys and Ladies!

I just received an email from Tom Neal, President of CCU officially announcing the DETC accreditation. He also mentioned plans to expand into on-line courses and other exciting plans for the future. Once again, patience, hard work and focused purpose pays big rewards. My hat is off to the staff at CCU and all of you who never lost faith over the years.

Oscar Wright

 

The anguish is dangerously growing. Be careful community.

 

One of the visible warning sign are the FUROR BREVIS

 

Thanks, I know that because I looked at his profile. I just wanted to see it someplace “official”. I did not want to get excited until I KNEW it was true.

Question for other CCU graduates: Don’t you feel a little smarter now that you have an accredited degree?

 

Rod:

Why do insist on making comments about me? What does your characterization add to any of this? But since you insist, let me say that your involvement with California Coast makes you an advocate, not an observer. And since you don't refute the very basic fact I've presented (that the DBA does not have anything equivalent to a dissertation, much less an actual dissertation), it is simple to dismiss what you say about CCU as coming from someone with an extremely vested interest in it. I don't have that regarding CCU.

When you point to government, especially state government, you point at nothing in many states, and very little in California. Degrees from schools without accreditation have very little acceptance at accredited schools. They don't care that the school has California Approval.

I'll look forward to any facts that you might have to demonstrate that the CCU DBA is accepted as a "real" doctorate by any competent authority that has taken a look. But I won't hold my breath. (BTW, I would really welcome such information.)

 

Re: Servants of the Druj

This is as apt a statement as I've seen in a long while. Don't you think such schools just cringe when their "defenders" mangle the "defense"? Better to stick with the observable facts.

 

My main point was that it is good for DL because it further demonstrates that legitimate DL schools can become accredited, even those who finally come in from the cold after so many decades.

Do we know if CCU was a marginal candidate?

Your take regarding DETC's need to strive for excellence, not get caught up in mediocrity, is a good one. I, too, have called for DETC to take the national lead in DL. That opportunity might be snatched by the USDLA if that group gets its own act together.

 

Email form Tom Neal

Permission given by current student of CCU to post:

 

This citizens are dangerous; We may need some gloves and a umpire.

Lets be in motion.

This topic is now Academic, CCU gain accreditation and kicked some ugly butts.