California Coast/DETC News

Thank you, Rod. I read it and it was a far cry from the CCU that I first new a couple of decades ago (when the four Deans were the only instructional faculty at the school).

CCU will now be a much more viable option for many learners.

Tony Pina
Administrator, Northeastern Illinois University

 

Thank you, Rod. I read it and it was a far cry from the CCU that I first new a couple of decades ago (when the four Deans were the only instructional faculty at the school).

CCU will now be a much more viable option for many learners.

Tony Pina
Administrator, Northeastern Illinois University

 

Tony,

You read the catalog three times and came to the same conclusion each time?

 

For Tony, that would be diligence. For me, it would be either redundancy or forgetfullness.

 

Shoot, for me, I've reached the point where I can be half-way through a book and realized that I have read it already (albeit in the distant past).

If this is what it's like to be 43, what must it be like to be real old like Rich.



Tom Nixon

 

That was my Porky Pig impression: Ththththththththththththat's all folks!!!

Or maybe it was my network administrator impression: Set up a redundant message in case the first one fails.

Tony

(actually I got the "page not found" message that many of us get when we try to submit, so I did the thing that I always tell my students not to do--press the Send button again--shame on me).

 

You young farts crack me up.

 

Email from CCU

 

I'm 45.

My wife, however, is 43. The gap between our generations is huge!

 

I'm 45.

My wife, however, is 43. The gap between our generations is huge!

 

Does this mean that CCU Will Offer Doctorates once more? What will their status be?

Where does this leave CCU students who were in process with their doctorates?

 

Re: Does this mean that CCU Will Offer Doctorates once more? What will their status be?

DETC is supportive of CCU "teaching out" those doctoral students in the pipeline when CCU dropped the doctoral programs to pursue DETC accreditation. CCU is doing this. DETC feels it is important to ensure enrolled students received the degrees they're pursuing. And that's an interesting point.

Because DETC will not include a school's doctoral programs as part of its accreditation, student who are in the pipeline will receive the same degree as before: an unaccredited one. But I feel this is misleading to the public, since an accredited school will be awarding an unaccredited degree.

Students currently in the process of earning their bachelor's and master's degrees will, if successful, graduate with accredited degrees, even though they started when the school was unaccredited. But there is a rub....

CCU has admitted students into combined master's/doctoral programs. Those students will graduate with accredited master's degrees, which is cool. But then they'll proceed to the unaccredited (and discontinued) doctoral programs. I feel CCU should stop their progress at the master's level and refund the difference between the two programs (the master's and the combined master's/doctorate) with interest. Those students have not yet committed time and energy to their doctoral studies, so they're not out anything. And CCU avoids awarding some unaccredited degrees while being accredited.

DETC should demand this.

 

Re: Re: Does this mean that CCU Will Offer Doctorates once more? What will their status be?

Neither CCU or DETC base their policies on how you and I feel, Rich. Fact is, CHEA recognized DETC is supportive of CCU teaching out these doctoral students and awarding the unaccredited doctorate. Now if ODA would only lend its support............

 

I Disagree With You Rich

Dear Professor Rich, PhD,

I am one of those students enrolled in CCU's combined Masters/Doctoral Programs, specifically Business Administration. What gives you the right to sit in judgment on CCU and demand they immediately stop their doctoral programs? With all respect, you have too much time on your hands.

I have an opportunity to earn both degrees for less than $5,000. That is an unheard of price. And I am not going to let anything stop me! I am extremely thankful to the staff at CCU for reinstating me following my illness. My enrollment agreement is a contract, and I intend to pursue both degrees.

How can people in this forum sit there in judgment and criticize the policies of an institution you have no afiliation with is beyond me. I can't see DETC doing anything to force CCU to change. I am also glad your passion against CCU and it's students have no real weight! Good Day!

Sincerely,

 

Re: I Disagree With You Rich

Wow!

$5,000. is quite a deal for both degrees. The PHD sounds like icing on the cake whether or not it is accredited.

Good luck,

Abner

Once I finish my B.A., I have toyed with the idea of pursuing my Masters from CCU. From what I hear they may start holding graduation ceremonies.

 

Re: Re: Re: Does this mean that CCU Will Offer Doctorates once more? What will their status be?

Gosh, really? I thought I simply had to express my opinion and it would become policy! Thanks for clarifying that!

I think I was expressing an opinion contrary to DETC's stated practice, and I thought that was clear. I guess not.

I discussed this with DETC's Sue Reilley who, as you note, expressed DETC's desire to support "teaching out" current doctoral students. So do I, understanding that it's a necessary evil. But I don't accept that CCU must teach out students in the combined master's/doctoral programs who are still in the master's portion of the program. Those students could be cut off at the (accredited) master's.

 

Dear Professor Rich, PhD,

I am very glad the decision is not up to you. I am confident that CCU and DETC will do what's best for their students. Maybe you ought to call them and make your recommendations directly. I am sure they will appreciate your comments. Or will they? What is really going on here? I have read many of your past posts regarding CCU and know very well you opinions regarding them. I am impressed with your opinions regarding DETC verses Regional Accreditation. You are biased. And I guess you feel CCU is inferior don't you? Are you deliberately trying to discourage current students in the Masters/Doctoral Programs from completing their programs? Is this the case? But passing judgment in a forum like this has no real value, does it?

Sincerely,

 

Re: I Disagree With You Rich

 

You are far more biased. Afterall, you go to school there. I think that it is clear to most people that CCU doctorates (of the no dissertation variety) are substandard. The main exceptions are people that are looking at it subjectively through their own selfish point of view. For example the ODA ruled at one point that the CCU doctorate was substandard and illegal in Oregon. Since a dissertation is the main point of most all real doctorates and CCU doesn't require one, it seems like, to me, that it should be obvious to even yourself, but obviously not.

I doubt that the reasons these opiinions are expressed has anything to do with you in particular. In my view it has to do with reality, the truth, and respect for academic standards.

 

California Coast did offer 7 doctorate programs, the...

Ph.D. in Business Administration
Ph.D. in Management
D.B.A. in Business Administration

Ph.D in Engineering Management

Ph.D. in Psychology
Psy.D in Psychology

Ed.D. in Education

Out of these seven degrees only one, the DBA does not require a dissertation. It requires additional work and a Comprehensive Written Examination.

All the other doctorate programs DO require a dissertation and an on campus board of review.

RXI