ASIC and Warnborough University

Warnborough

Hi, I was also checking the information of the College. I started my master somewhere else but I am not happy with my professors.Considering to change to this one as the programme seems interesting. I find it very odd that all the articles mentioned on this thread are so old...There is no current info? I do not understand all the craziness about accreditation as there are so many accreditation agencies that makes me wonder how much of a business it is. In my country (Italy) as long as a degree is legal you will be able to work. Anyway, good luck fellow students!

 

That's because nothing ever changes with Warnborough. Yes - they make it seem interesting, but the degree is worth nothing. We don't need to review the situation every six months. It's been a dodgy school with no degree-granting authority whatsoever since it opened its doors - something it has had to keep doing at several locations, for various reasons, over its history. You can read that here: Warnborough College - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the US, you sort of have to. In Italy, you don't. In many countries, as long as the University is properly chartered by the State, everything is good. In the US, with very few exceptions, a degree will not be recognized by employers or other schools unless it is accredited by a proper agency -- and yes, there are fraudulent accreditors.

There are two kinds of accreditation in the US: Regional Accreditation and National Accreditation. Both are acceptable but - without wishing to re-start a never-ending debate - RA is more widely accepted than NA. The genuine accreditors of both types are listed on this site: Council for Higher Education Accreditation Home Page

Generally, if you attend an unaccredited US school, you risk having a degree that will not get you where you want, even if it is one of the few said to have pretty decent programs. I said generally, so other readers, please don't jump on me with the famous Jet Pilot school or one of the few glaring exceptions. Schools granting solely religious degrees are exempt from accreditation in about 20 States, although many such schools have chosen to be accredited - many RA and some NA, by DETC or one of the Faith-Based National Accreditors, such as TRACS. They are all listed on the CHEA pages I referred to.

As I said, we don't need to publish frequent updates, to know what this place is.... we should have a smiley for "windmill" to insert here! :smile:

Johann

 

lol.......

 

The facts are: This CD was PRODUCED in 1994 by a radio station in Australia, and the spoken CD stated clearly and on the sleeve that the College was "Independent - International - Co-educational - Residential". The campus was NOT rented, it was owned by the College, and it had historical connections as mentioned. Surely, if John Bear or Johann purchased Blenheim Palace for a school they would mention that the Duke of Marlborough, Winston Churchill, etc. 'walked the halls'! Which they did!

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It would be wise to check with the schools directly that you are interested in - speak to current students, alumni, and faculty. Don't be influenced by 'armchair critics'.

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The facts for the record are: This CD was PRODUCED in 1994 by a radio station in Australia, and the spoken CD stated clearly and on the sleeve that the College was "Independent - International - Co-educational - Residential". The campus was NOT rented, it was owned by the College, and it had historical connections as mentioned. Surely, if John Bear or Johann purchased Blenheim Palace for a school they would mention that the Duke of Marlborough, Winston Churchill, etc. 'walked the halls'! Which they did!

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The comments posted here are by Warnborough College to correct misleading information.
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Warnborough College (UK) never awarded UK degrees or claimed to award UK degrees, so this information is correct. However, it does provide foundation courses via the ABE pathway to universities in the UK and abroad for undergraduate and graduate degrees.
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Be wise and check directly with the school you wish to study at - speak to current students, alumni and faculty so this way you get a 'feel' for the place.
All Warnborough accreditations fall under the UK standards so they are recognised by the government, professions, industry and commerce. Good luck.
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No - but it DID enrol people in "degree" programs", while it was still in Oxford UK.

From the Wiki:

"In 1995 Warnborough College enrolled its first group of students onsite in a four-year academic programme...

"In October 1995 the United States Department of Education suspended and then, in 1996, terminated the eligibility of Warnborough College to participate in the federal student financial assistance programmes under Title IV of the Higher Education Act of 1965 on the basis that (i) it was not a degree-granting institution, (ii) its credits were not freely transferable; and (iii) it had no eligible vocational programmes. It also fined the college for

(i) failing to make refunds to students in accord with Title IV and Warnborough's own refund policies; and

(ii) responsibility for misrepresentations to students that it was a part of Oxford University and had degree-granting authority." (Emphasis mine - Johann)

So it was, indeed. At least that one was - The Boar's Hill campus. But then...

"The Boars Hill properties were repossessed by creditors and its corporate owner, Oxford International Educational Enterprises Ltd, directed by brothers Brenden and Daryl Tempest-Mogg and their mother, Ethel Tempest-Mogg, was wound up on a petition by the Inland Revenue." - Ibid.

As stated, Warnborough College does not award degrees, now. These days, Warnborough's Irish so-called "University" is where one goes to get a degree that is not recognized in Ireland. I find it difficult to separate any part of the Warnborough brand from its past - and see no compelling reason to - with so many schools that do not carry this kind of baggage.

Johann

 

Surely, if either of us purchased Blenheim Palace, we'd be careful. http://www.blenheimpalace.com/ If we mentioned those famous men, as well we might, we'd make it clear that they walked the halls long before there was a school there -- and we'd definitely not claim any degree-granting authority to which we were not fully entitled. :smile:

Johann

 

Accreditation Process

The way I understand it, is that the setup of a school in a specific location gives it authority to grant specific degrees.. I know this is the case in California where they have to pass that first step..

In order to be accepted by other schools or licensing bodies, the school now needs to get Accreditation from a recognized organization. Some states give degree granting powers conditionally with the intent of the school getting accreditation.

In the case of this school, it would seem they got authority in Ireland to issue degrees and maybe ASIC gives them more universal acceptance.. Just my observation..

In summary, it seems degree powers are given by virtue of school incorporation mandate. In the UK proper, the school needs to get Royal Charter to be considered degree granting.. Many colleges offer classes but the degrees are conferred by a legitimate university.

 

Where? I don't see it. Here's the list of all institutions in Ireland that have degree-granting authority. Do you see this school.
NO, YOU DON'T!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-level_education_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland

"more universal?" What does that mean? There are no degrees of universality. A thing is universal or - as in this case - not. Wider acceptance - maybe so. What ASIC does not give any school is degree-granting authority. ASIC itself is clear on that point. Read their page and you'll see it.

Nonsense. If I incorporate a school I can thereby empower it legally to award degrees? Not in Canada. Not in Ireland. Not in most of the US, religious exemptions aside. Now, Panama, that's a different story...

J.

 

Don't know about HETAC, but my impression is that it is and has been entirely possible for schools not entitled to award degrees to apply for ASIC accreditation.

Depends on what you mean by universal acceptance. I and some of my colleagues (credential evaluators, policy makers) are beginning to think of ASIC accreditation as a...well, not exactly an advantage

 

Here is an article all about how Warnborough does not have authority to award degrees in Ireland.

Did something change in the last 8 years? It's certainly possible. And if they, or anyone, can provide a link to a source indicating that something has changed then I'd be happy to change my opinion on the school.

They don't have degree authority in the jurisdiction where they operate. That's a kill condition for me. I applaud innovation in higher ed. And I respect those who have to go about it without accreditation, in certain circumstances. But this doesn't appear to be a good faith attempt to offer something new and unique.

 

Hello,

I checked and WES (Foreign Credential Evaluator) will not evaluate a degree from Warnborough College (Ireland). This means that this degree will be considered unaccredited in the US.

When considering foreign options, the best is to open an account with WES and try to add the credential for evaluation. Many schools are already blocked from the WES system such as Warnborough College so this is an automatic refusal to evaluate the school. I have discovered that many of the schools discussed here are blocked including Empresarial University of Costa Rica, Indian Board of Alternative Medicines, University of Atlanta and The University of America.

If your purpose is to use the credential for employment in the US, WES is the most accepted evaluator in the Market so I would check with them before embarking in any foreign degree.

Sometimes, you want a degree for self employment (e.g. Alternative Medicine Practitioner), in this case you would need to check with a association of your intended profession and verify if the foreign degree would allow you to become a member and be insured for your profession. IBAM for example is not considered RA equivalent but it can work to be become insured in the US or Canada as Alternative Practitioner, this means that the degree cannot be used for employment in the private and public sectors but might work for self employment as a member of several associations that accept the degree but be aware that you might not be able to use the degree designation (e.g. PhD).

 

I agree but I think is safe to say that Warnborough College will not be evaluated as equivalent to RA by any of the NACEs evaluators.
WES has a black list that I believe should be known to most people in the same business.

When a school is running in one country but accredited in another country by an accreditation agency that is not meant to accredit universities, you must know that something is not right with the school.
The University of Atlanta and the University of America seem to be in the same boat, they are running in the US but accredited in another country.