Zimmerman trial - Prosecution finished

We've backed up our reasoning as to why bringing him to trial was unfair, you continually refuse to hear it. The fact is he broke no law in the state of Florida, local law enforcement didn't arrest him because he broke no law, the local DA brought no charges because he broke no law. And then the race baiting began......12 months later here we are.
And just so we're clear, I have no problem with change if it's change for the better, but if you honestly believe we have more freedoms now than we did even 20 years ago you're detached from reality.

 

I don't know MC, I hear things were pretty good before woman got to vote and sometimes a kid just needs a good smack on the ass. And eugenics? Who wouldn't love that?

Now if you'll excuse me, after reading the posts that showed up here over night, I've got a hankering to mix up a batch of Sizzurp and get faded on my sofa while listening to Three Six Mafia. That's quite a Saturday.

 

What original statement made no mention of self defense?

 

No and No. I've already detailed what has gone wrong. You refuse to acknowledge what has already been said. If me wanting people to actually watch the trial and look at (I know this is way out there for many on this board) actual evidence. I've wanted nothing from anyone on here but to give the case a fair shake away from the media bias and lies.

As long as you agree with the lies, I guess that makes them OK.

I found out the media was lying and immediately changed my thoughts on the case. You can believe what you want. There are actually hundreds of documents from this trial that show what actually happened. It's a matter of looking at evidence and documents vs. what was said by people in the media. Seems like an easy comparison to me, but If you don't believe those things already, why would you believe an explanation from some random schmoe like me on the internet?

 

No (I have no idea what the stats are), I am just saying there is a process which includes a trial.

 

It's gone too long. I think GZ's goose is cooked. My wife is promising me something special if I wash her Explorer. I think what she means is instead of hitting me with the broom, she'll just use the paper towel roll.

Out to enjoy the weather!

C

 

Asserting that things are lies is fine, but it isn't evidence. It is just opinion. You're dressing up your assessments of the situation as if they were facts.

The jury has what it needs. We'll see what they do. The rest is just hype.

 

Rich, I guess you could say this case has went forward more than expected, considering GZ was not arrested initially. I also think not much about "Stand your ground" has been mentioned, which Zimmerman claims he had no knowledge of even though he got an A in a class covering stand your ground. Another observation, it seems like the defense is suddenly trying to portray GZ as this fat overweight slob who could not possibly overtake Martin. Here is the surprise for Mr. Martin. He thought "This kid (his words)" referring to TM would be an easy target of being skin and bones, being 17, and thought he could be overtake him so he could be praised as a hero. Guess what Georgie? It didn't happen that way. You were getting your ass kicked and you killed TM like a sore loser. Sorry things are not working out for you. You could have just done what the cops asked you to do, and you wouldn't sitting in a jail cell like you are now (of course, you have stated you would not have changed a thing? No remorse I guess). At least you are alive though. If you start a fight and lose, take your beating like a man.

For the record, I am responding to Rich with my OPINION- nothing less, nothing more. The sad thing about all of this is a that a family no longer has their son, and Trayvon does not have the ability to speak for himself.

At this point I could give a flying fuck about who was screaming on the tapes. The fact is, and will always be that a boy is dead. You, that's right folks. A boy. And yes, he only had Skittles in his pocket which he bought for his little brother. GZ disobeyed the cops orders, and now he will pay. I hope it was worth it. This thing is just sad all the way around. No one can say anything good has come from this. When it comes down to it, this is not a political story against guns, or a story to bolster when you can or cannot shot someone. This is a story about human decency, and the indecency is that a kid is now dead and won't be spending anymore holidays with mom and dad. And after this case is wrapped up and everyone goes home, these parents and family will not have closure as their boy will not be going home to them. I would ask those reading this to picture their sons or daughthers being shot in a similar fashion, and wonder about how they would react. I will commend TM's parents for keeping it together as much as they have. I am not sure what I would do if someone murdered my son, but It would probably not be good.

Abner


Have a good weekend Rich,

Abner

 

The jurors have reached a verdict. Should be about 15 minutes until we know what the verdict is.

 

Not guilty.

 

NOT GUILTY. Thank God those women got it right. Good for them.

 

Just heard it on the radio as I was returning from the store. And it is over...

 

At least they did the right thing. Should never have gone to trial, but the verdict is just.

 

The jury has decided, Zimmerman gets to go home a free man!

Regarding the lies, I will guess that you must be referring to Zimmerman lying about being unfamiliar with the stand your ground law. :tounge-in-cheek:

 

As mentioned earlier; the prosecution would likely be incapable to meet the burden of proof (beyond a reasonable doubt). The evidence against Zimmerman was just not there … even the prosecution’s effort at a conviction on a downgraded charge of manslaughter did not fly with the jurors. The prosecution started and ended with a very weak case IMO. A self-defense conclusion by the jury…

 

Dang Cory, Bill is all over you today. Did he ever apologize for essentially calling you a racist earlier?

 

I think the issue regarding reasonable doubt is the most important. There just wasn't enough information regarding the initial confrontation that could be used against Zimmerman. As I read the legal standard for self defense in Florida it became more clear. Essentially, prosecutors had to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it WAS NOT self-defense to get a conviction. Given that the only witness was the defendant, that would be a tall order.

This really hit home a few days ago when I was watching MSNBC with Chris Hayes. He is a VERY liberal host and seemed to be anti-Zimmerman. At one point during his discussion with the guests, he mentioned that he was 80/20 in favor of Zimmerman's guilt. That is pretty much where I was. However, that is also REASONABLE DOUBT. If I was on the jury with my 80/20 feelings about this case, I would have to vote not guilty. That is the law.

 

The bar for convicting someone should be high. If the prosecution cannot prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt, then the accused should be acquitted. That seems to be the case here.

But if he didn't stalk that kid, Martin would still be alive. Zimmerman was in a car and armed. Zimmerman changed that by getting out of his car. Was he defending himself? Did he have to shoot Martin? We may or may not know, depending on your assessment of the facts presented. But Zimmerman's behavior, while not deemed criminal in this trial, was the precipitating action that led to Martin's death. He didn't have to do it, but he did. The Florida law permitted him to subsequently shoot Martin, and that child is dead.

I'm okay with the verdict, but the act and the conditions surrounding it are despicable. What Zimmerman did was wrong. But that should not be confused with being criminal. A jury this evening made that distinction clear.

 

The prosecution really had no case from the start. Regrettably a political pressure prosecution /trial (e.g., mixing politics /justice); no grand jury convened (?))…

Though a tragic event ... not all tragedy is a crime…

And clearly the prosecution made a strategic error in its overcharge.

At least now, the media outlets will hopefully report on other issues.

 

"AUTiger00

Quote Originally Posted by Abner View Post
"Yes. Now GZ can go and live with himself. I wish him well."

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"Typically not difficult to live with yourself when you did nothing wrong. Odd how some people are so offended by a man defending himself from assault. "

"did nothing wrong". Just because someone was acquitted of charges in a court of law has nothing to do with "doing something wrong". Acquittal means there wasn't enough evidence or proof beyond a reasonable doubt to condemn the defendant from the charges filed against him. Two separate things entirely! A dialogue about what is morally right and wrong is more about psychology than the law!