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Re: stop being jealous of my degree accomplishments

Not really, since you refuse to list them.

BTW...."Impressive" has 2 "r's". Your "IMPRESIVE" education should have taught you that.

 

No, I don't have a dog in the fight. As mentioned before, I like the idea of giving the ABA as much competition as possible. I don't like the idea of having them hold a monopoly over the legal profession. Obviously they do many good things, and the standards they require for their law schools help the profession... I just don't like the idea of them holding exclusive control over entry to the profession. I am very interested in someday becoming eligible for the bar (hopefully I will have some options when I finish my LL.B.). If there was a law school closer than 1500 miles from my home, I would have enrolled years ago.

I am sure that most users on this board question whether you really have graduated from law school or not. It is almost impossible to comprehend how someone could have the credentials you claim (including passing the bar) and not understand what most junior high school students know (ie. the difference between "your" and "you are," etc.).

"As a result" of the medical profession doing something the legal profession should be required to follow the same path? Can you understand the absurdity of your logic? Take for example: Canada passes a law which sets a national speed limit... "As a result" of this all other countries should have to do the same... ?

If you were an attorney I am sure that you would be able to argue your case much better than this. For the record, I think that a non-bar degree is a bit crazy, BUT it does not bother me if someone else wishes to pursue one.

I am unaware of any "1" man operation law school out of a spare bedroom or garage, but have only asked you to argue your case against them. The response "such degrees were in (learn how to use "an") insult to me" is less than a reasonable argument. Go back and check on little fauss' argument from a few weeks ago to see the proper way of stating a case.

Again, I don't believe that I ever mentioned that I have no degrees and have no idea where you got that idea. One thing's for sure: If my writing reflects the skills of a person who holds no degrees and your writing is that of an academic superman, then I feel pretty darn well...

Learn how to attack the argument instead of the person and maybe someday you'll pass the bar.

 

Peeling the argument away from the posturing...

I am no fan of the ABA approval process. I just wish I could be SURE that the ABA's standards really ARE unnecessary to assure a quality legal education.

There isn't much to go on, here. We have the Great Laboratory, California, with its semi-annual statistics that tend to show that graduates of ABA schools do much better on the Bar exam than any other group, but I don't see anyway to correct for the mean qualifications of the incoming classes.

There are several differences between the ABA and CalBar standards but the big expensive one is the library size. I know of no ABA school with fewer than 250,000 volumes and volume equivalents but most CalBar schools have libraries on the order of 40,000 volumes. Can this really make such a difference in this day and age?

Another significant difference is that CalBar schools rely heavily on part time instructors, most of whom are in practice. ABA standards don't allow this. On the one hand, for a practical education, the CalBar approach would seem to be advantageous but is there something to be said for the ABA's (expensive) position that law teachers must also be professional writers, scholars and researchers?

There's more than one J.S.D. thesis here!

 

Ph.D's dont impress me at all, my whole graduate school instructors were full of them., nothing to me really.

Interesting.

 

I am licensed as A REAL ESTATE BROKER, not a salesperson!

Fauss. post your little degrees here, lets see your credentials!

 

But it's so much fun for me to posture! I'm enjoying picking a fight with this fellow.

By the way, can you tell me your secret for never getting defensive or letting someone get under your skin? Is this some ancient Hebraic secret that I, an upstart messianic, haven't yet mastered?

 

I'm not that impressive; my credentials are no big deal. But that was never my point. In fact, I said to you that after I blustered about my credentials months back, I'd made a fool of myself. Why? Because my degrees aren't that hot versus someone like Gollin or Osborne or Bear or many on this forum. After hearing about the rigor from Osborne, I don't think I could cut the UoL LLM, that's why I decided not to apply. I don't think I could understand two words of a typical lecture that Dr. Gollin sat in on at Harvard or Princeton.

My only point is that your degrees are not that big a deal, certainly not worth touting as impressive with a capital "I", and at least not versus those I mentioned who read and post on this forum. And there, I'm right. You've got to admit it.

I don't have to be able to hit a 98 mph fastball into the $5 seats to understand that if Bob Ueker is touting his abilities as the greatest home run hitter of all time, that he's making silly, indefensible statements (but at least when he makes them, they're funny and clever because he can laugh at himself and isn't ultra defensive and insecure).

 

I agree completely with little fauss. A bit childish, but it is a lot of fun to argue with this guy...

I am very impressed with Nosborne's ability to handle this as well as he does. (such as the time JDLLM2 refered to him as a "bozo") Maybe that is something which comes with years of experience?

 

Nosborne48

I learned legal research both ways.

The old way of looking up the book and the new way, Lexis-Nexis.

I can tell you that the state bar accredited law school I went
to had a library that never was used, if a student wanted
to use a law library the county law library was available
but most used lexis-nexis as a student account or used
the Lexis-Nexis that was available at the law firm they
worked at since most classmates were employed in some
capacity at a law firm while they went to school at night.

Not even sure any law schools really teach that much
how to search the library and dust off a book.

Lexis-Nexis is the way to go.

In fact after my J.D. degree I got my LL.M degree at an ABA law school and all research for writing my 78 page thesis was derived from Lexis-Nexis research class that I was required to take.

A class in using this system was required and no one could work
in a law firm today if they only knew how to use the old
book library system.

Some of the ABA rules are stupid, regarding full-time instructors and having a certain volume library but the ABA uses it power for
regulating law schools for its real agenda which is political power.


If you are familiar with the Justice Department consent decree
which allowed non-ABA J.D. graduates to get into ABA LL.M degree programs some attempt was made to lessen the power of the ABA and it didnt work since now the ABA pressured the states not to accept an LL.M degree for bar admission.

Just think how little political power the ABA would have in Congress and on committees and senators, etc. if most states
decided to just accredit their own law schools.

I think the ABA should be for promoting justice and having a forum for lawyers that like joining organizations but that each state should accredit their own law schools.

The size of the BOOK LIBRARY at a law school is really meaningless in todays internet world.

 

Interesting observations.

I've done a LOT of research, both on-line and book based. Personally, I think that there's room for both even today; each has its own advantages.

I don't disagree in theory with your view of the proper role of the ABA. However, the great advantage of the ABA law school approval system is that the degree becomes very "portable"; an ABA J.D. is accepted in all states and federal jurisdictions (including, strangely, Puerto Rico). Few states are in the position California is in, having the resources necessary to investigate and approve law schools.

 

Nosborne48

I disagree, some states are just lazy it is so easy to have the administrative arm of the State Supreme Court work out the
oversight of law schools in their states.

Each state should accredit their law schools and if there is another accreditation like ABA it should be voluntary and not
a condition of bar admission. Just my opinion.

It wont change though, actually its going in the other direction.

Long term I see California will only have ABA or state bar accredited or candidate status required after a particular period of time.

I think California is ready to eliminate the other categories.

There is much much talk in California to crack down on law schools, first too many law schools now close to 60 in California.

Some very good non ABA schools, several not very good ABA law schools, a couple of good correspondence law schools and many many terrible unaccredited law schools.

 

Why are you all of a sudden engaging in reasoned debate? You're less fun this way.

Maybe this will set you off, a minor nit pick: you've just got to stop giving your detractors ammunition: use "it's", not "its", when in the context above. You put the little doo hickey in when it's (note proper use of "it's") the contraction of it and is. There, that'll fire you up. I only learned that a few years ago myself.

 

Nah, this is casual writing and I am writing while working
and dont have spell check on here.

It doesnt matter I got the 4 degrees, 3 of them are accredited
and the other one qualifed me for the bar so I dont care.

 

I don't know whether every state board of bar examiners really could do this. Here's a thought, too; think how much harder it would be to establish a new law school. The institution would have to deal with fifty five (or so) separate licensing jurisdictions instead of dealing with just one.

Of course, the various boards COULD get together and pool their resources and efforts and create a single entity for several states. Sort of like a multi-state ODA for law schools only?

There's nothing to suggest that state authorities would impose less stringent (and expensive) standards than the ABA does now. CalBar would but New Jersey and Kansas (?) likely would not, judging from their case opinions and Rules.

Perhaps a group of states could agree to recognize each other's state accreditation. That might work. Many states essentially do so now with their attorney admissions standards. (What I mean is, in a couple of dozen states, an attorney applicant with three to five years of practice experience usually does not have to produce an ABA J.D. to take the Bar exam; a state accredited degree will do.)

 

OK, I'll take one more stab with the stick at the wounded animal.

Causal writing is casual writing, but irregardless, it should not betray poor grammar from one who blows hard over their credentials ad naseum.

But then again, look, folks, he's got the four degrees (and three of them are even accredited!), so he can write like my 9 year old if he so pleases, but he's still smarter than the rest of us. We're all so happy for you.

There, how's that, now you upset?

 

Fauss,

I wrote a 78 page thesis at an ABA law school
and received a grade of A

It was graded and reviewed by 3 faculty members. NO ERRORS!

I dont know about you but I use spell check and
always check grammer on EVERY DOCUMENT
that matters, this forum does not matter for
such trival matters as that.


If all you can do is find fault with my spelling
and grammar you do such because you have
no credentials.

What the hell are your credentials again?

 

What weird things do we do here in the Heartland? You probably know more about Kansas jurisprudence than I do.

 

Yes, I did it!

And now, for the coup de gras: it's "grammar", not "grammer", you four degree genius, you.

 

What degrees do you have?

 

Fauss?

How could you offer an opinion on anything related to discussions about law school when you have neither a J.D. degree or an LL.M degree?

What possible relevance would your opinion have?

None!

I am not even sure you are a college graduate?

Are you?


TELL US ARE YOU A COLLEGE GRADUATE?

DO YOU HAVE A LAW DEGREE?