Wiki self promotion? Is Concord Law the only school with the Executive JD?

Executive J.D.

You just dont get it.

Since you dont have a earned J.D. degree or an LL.M degree
and spent 6 years getting both degrees you dont understand
how someone who gets a J.D. degree in less then a year from
some "law school" on a website that doesnt even have a physical address could devalue those of us that worked for our bar qualifying degree.

If you went to medical school and earned a M.D. degree would
you want to have someone out there claiming they are an M.D
when their degree is from some bogus school even though they werent practicing medicine?

Where I went to school is irrelevant, I completed a bar qualifying J.D. degree program and then went onto an LL.M degree.

 

Unaccredited J.D.

I attended Taft years ago before it was accredited by DETC.
When I told my friends and job recruiters that I was working on J.D. degree with a correspondence law school, the only thing they asked was if the school's accredited or not. It seemed as if that's all they cared about. Well, perhaps they assumed that I could take the bar exam upon graduation.

 

Re: Executive J.D.

Correct, this is why I ask you.

You are correct that I don't understand how someone who pursues ANY type of unacreditted degree devalues a profession if that person makes NO ATTEMPT to falsely enter that profession. The whole key here is that ALL of these degrees are UNACREDITTED meaning they are not held to any standards... unless a degree holder is able to claim bar qualifying. Most people are smart enough to recognize this fact.

If someone was claiming to be "an M.D" I believe this would constitute the unathorized practice of medicine and would be a crime in most states... Anybody know any specifics on this?

I think that it is quite relevant, as you have already contradicted yourself on your qualifications. I don't know why... but I just have a feeling that you were a student who got screwed over by Narkin or one of the other correspondence law schools.

This bill that you support may very well be a good idea. I don't think it is necessarily a bad thing for the state bar to regulate these schools, just as a principle I usually object to more government regulation (this bill doesn't nessesarily increase regulation, it only changes who is in charge). I believe in the principles of LIMITED government and am naturally reluctant to support anything which gives the government more power.

Why should I believe that you have "inside information" on this topic?

 

Re: Unaccredited J.D.

This is my entire point here...

 

Executive J.D.

I was not a student that got screwed over by Michael Narkin
at Saratoga University.

Lets settle that right now.

A J.D. degree is a professional degree and anyone that has
one of these degrees that doesnt qualify them for the practice
of the profession and admission to the bar doesnt really
possess a law degree. Period.!

I completed a J.D. bar qualifying program and then obtained a LL.M at an ABA approved law school with both degrees at over 3.0 GPA.

I dont recognize non bar J.D. degrees !!!!!!!

 

Re: Executive J.D.

Well at least you figured out that NWCU (if those are your true qualifications) is unacreditted and has only been in operation since 1982...

 

Re: Executive J.D.

So don't recognize them. I don't think they're worth much either. We can agree.

Why can a person not be allowed to spend his or her money on this degree though???

HOW DOES THIS HURT ANYONE BUT THE "DEGREE" SEEKER IF THAT PERSON IS NOT ATTEMPTING TO ILLEGALLY ENGAGE IN THE PRACTICE OF LAW?

 

Re: Re: Executive J.D.

Isn't the phrase "useless in its utility" an oxymoron?

 

Executive J.D.

I went to Lincoln Law School in San Jose a state bar accredited law school I think around since 1926, then finished last 2 semesters elsewhere because I had a family issue.

What is your problem where I went to law school?

I have a J.D. degree and an LL.M degree and YOU dont!

 

Once State Bar takes control bye bye 1 man operations

BILL NUMBER: SB 1568 AMENDED
BILL TEXT

AMENDED IN ASSEMBLY JUNE 22, 2006
INTRODUCED BY Senator Dunn


THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:


SECTION 1. Section 6046.7 is added to the Business and Professions
Code, to read:
6046.7. (a) (1) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the
Committee of Bar Examiners shall adopt rules that shall be effective
on and after January 1, 2008, for the regulation and oversight of
unaccredited law schools that are required to be authorized to
operate as a business in California and to have an administrative
office in California, including correspondence schools, that are not
accredited by the American Bar Association or the Committee of Bar
Examiners, with the goal of ensuring consumer protection and a legal
education at an affordable cost.
(2) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the committee
shall adopt rules that shall be effective on and after January 1,
2008, for the regulation and oversight of nonlaw school legal
programs leading to a juris doctor (J.D.) degree, bachelor of laws
(LL.B.) degree, or other law study degree.
(b) Commencing January 1, 2008, the committee shall assess and
collect a fee from unaccredited law schools and legal programs in
nonlaw schools in an amount sufficient to fund the regulatory and
oversight responsibilities imposed by this section.

(c) Nothing
section. Nothing in this section
subdivision precludes the Board of Governors
from using other funds or fees collected by the State Bar or by the
committee to supplement the funding of the regulatory and oversight
responsibilities imposed by this section with other funds, if that
supplemental funding is deemed necessary and appropriate to mitigate
some of the additional costs of the regulation and oversight to
facilitate the provision of a legal education at an affordable cost
.
SEC. 2. Section 6061 of the Business and Professions Code is
amended to read:
6061. Any law school that is not accredited by the examining
committee of the State Bar shall provide every student with a
disclosure statement, subsequent to the payment of any application
fee but prior to the payment of any registration fee, containing all
of the following information:
(a) The school is not accredited. However, in addition, if the
school has been approved by other agencies, that fact may be so
stated.
(b) Where the school has not been in operation for 10 years, the
assets and liabilities of the school. However, if the school has had
prior affiliation with another school that has been in operation more
than 10 years, has been under the control of another school that has
been in operation more than 10 years, or has been a successor to a
school in operation more than 10 years, the requirements of this
subdivision are not applicable.
(c) The number and percentage of students who have taken and who
have passed the first-year law student's examination and the final
bar examination in the previous five years, or since the
establishment of the school, whichever time is less, which shall
include only those students who have been certified by the school to
take the examinations.
(d) The number of legal volumes in the library. This subdivision
does not apply to correspondence schools.
(e) The educational background, qualifications and experience of
the faculty, and whether or not the faculty members and
administrators (e.g., the dean) are members of the California State
Bar.
(f) The ratio of faculty to students for the previous five years
or since the establishment of the school, whichever time is less.
(g) Whether or not the school has applied for accreditation, and
if so, the date of application and whether or not that application
has been withdrawn, is currently pending, or has been finally denied.
The school need only disclose information relating to applications
made in the previous five years.
(h) That the education provided by the school may not satisfy
requirements of other states for the practice of law. Applicants
should inquire regarding those requirements, if any, to the state in
which they may wish to practice.
The disclosure statement required by this section shall be signed
by each student, who shall receive as a receipt a copy of his or her
signed disclosure statement. If any school does not comply with these
requirements, it shall make a full refund of all fees paid by
students.
Subject to approval by the board, the examining committee may
adopt reasonable rules and regulations as are necessary for the
purpose of ensuring compliance with this section.
SEC. 3. Section 6061.5 is added to the Business and Professions
Code, to read:
6061.5. A law school that is not accredited by the examining
committee of the State Bar may refer to itself as a university or
part of a university and, if it so refers to itself, shall state
whether or not the law school is associated with an undergraduate
school.
SEC. 4. Section 6060.7 is added to the Business and Professions
Code, to read:
6060.7. (a) From July 1, 2007, to December 31, 2007, law schools
and law study degree programs shall be subject to the following:
(1) The examining committee shall be responsible for the approval,
regulation, and oversight of degree-granting law schools that
exclusively offer bachelor's, master's, or doctorate degrees in law,
such as juris doctor. This paragraph does not apply to unaccredited
law schools, which remain subject to the jurisdiction of the Bureau
of Private Postsecondary Education or its successor agency.
(2) If a law school offers educational services other than
bachelor's, master's, or doctorate-degree programs in law, only the
law school's degree programs in law shall be subject to the approval,
regulation, and oversight of the examining committee.
(b) On and after January 1, 2008, law schools and law study degree
programs shall be subject to the following:
(1) The examining committee shall be responsible for the approval,
regulation, and oversight of degree-granting law schools that
exclusively offer bachelor's, master's, or doctorate degrees in law,
such as juris doctor.
(2) If a law school offers educational services other than
bachelor's, master's, or doctorate-degree programs in law, only the
law school's degree programs in law shall be subject to the approval,
regulation, and oversight of the examining committee.
(3) If a nonlaw school offers educational programs leading to a
juris doctor (J.D.) degree, bachelor of laws (LL.B.) degree, or other
law study degree, those programs shall be subject to the regulation
and oversight of the examining committee.
SEC. 5. Section 6060.7 is added to the Business and Professions
Code, to read:
6060.7. Notwithstanding any other provision of law, including
Chapter 16 (commencing with Section 9000), law schools and law study
degree programs shall be subject to the following:
(a) The examining committee shall be responsible for the approval,
regulation, and oversight of degree-granting law schools that (A)
exclusively offer bachelor's, master's, or doctorate degrees in law,
such as juris doctor, and (B) are not otherwise exempt under Section
9076.
(b) If a law school not exempt under Section 9076 offers
educational services other than bachelor's, master's, or
doctorate-degree programs in law, the law school and its nonlaw
degree programs shall be subject to Chapter 16 (commencing with
Section 9000), and the law school's degree programs in law shall be
subject to the approval, regulation, and oversight of the examining
committee.
(c) If a nonlaw school that does not meet the criteria of Section
9076 offers educational programs leading to a juris doctor (J.D.)
degree, bachelor of laws (LL.B.) degree, or other law study degree,
those programs shall be subject to the regulation and oversight of
the examining committee.
(d) This section shall become operative on January 1, 2008.
SEC. 6. Section 94364 is added to the Education Code, to read:
94364. This chapter shall remain in effect only until January 1,
2008, and as of that date is repealed, unless a later enacted
statute, that is enacted before January 1, 2008, deletes or extends
that date.
SEC. 7. Section 5 of this bill shall become operative only if both
this bill and SB 1473 are enacted and become effective on or before
January 1, 2007, in which case Section 4 of this bill shall not
become operative.

 

Not a thing wrong with Lincoln Law in San Jose. CalBar accredited and only "expensive" at about $45K total tuition as opposed to "heartstopping" at around $100K at almost all California private ABA approved schools.

AND, if you did one year at NWCU, you ended up saving several thousand dollars off that $45K. Nothing wrong with THAT, either!

Don't know whether you took the Bar exam but if you did, I'd imagine you did okay...

 

Very good points.

Very true. My only problem was with the attitude of JDLLM2... If the credentials are accurate, then the are very respectable qualifications.

Maybe... Or maybe we'll never know...

 

Dude,

My credentials far exceed yours including an MBA that I did not mention plus a Bachelors degree before entering law school, as well as a Master of Laws from an ABA approved law school with over a 3.0 GPA.

But because I bring up my disgust with California correspondence law schools and am looking forward to tomorrow's vote to have
State Bar control over all law schools eliminating BPPVE control, eventually eliminating the non bar J.D. degree and stupid 1 man operation so-called law schools,you have repeately attacked me.

When you get 4 degrees, an undergraduate, a Graduate Business degree, a professional bar qualifying Juris Doctor law and a Graduate Law degree from an ABA law school, and a real estate broker's license, let me know,otherwise in my book your still just a WANNABE LAWYER!

 

JDLLM2:

Look, your credentials are nothing to sneeze at, but please be aware of the following:

There are people on this forum who have PhDs from top schools

There are people who've attended Harvard, such as Alarming Idea.

There's a lawyer--who you sneered at, and who has been nothing but a model of restraint in his dealings with you--who attended a second tier ABA-accredited school, has decades of experience in a supervisory role with a state court system, and is now doing an LLM at UoL (which is perhaps one of the top programs in the world, and is probably right there in terms of law prestige with Oxford's DL legal masters program).

There are people around here, like John Bear, who are nationally known and oft-published experts in their fields.

There are people who've posted here, like Dr. George Gollin, who is a physics prof at one of the top universities in the country, who received his bachelors from Harvard and his PhD from Princeton.

So when you shoot off about your credentials in such a manner as above, especially when said credentials are not nearly those of many who are reading the post, realize that it makes you look a little foolish. Maybe a lot.

Once upon a time I shot off about my credentials. Made me look silly. I wish I had the power to delete the post all these months later.

Don't be stupid, just back it off a notch. Show a little introspection; a little humility goes a long way, especially vis-a-vis your credibility on this forum.

 

stop being jealous of my degree accomplishments

1) My comments were directed at DUDE! ...........get it, DUDE, not anyone else. AT DUDE!

2) My credentials are IMPRESIVE!

My lawyer skills are awesome and my sucessful real estate practice is thriving.

I was attacked for my political support on the soon to be new California law; Senate Bill 1568 which will eventually be eliminating non bar J.D. degrees and eliminating 1 man law school operations and restoring the integrity of Juris Doctor degrees in California.

My point: I was repeately attacked by someone who DOES NOT
have the credentials that I have.

He attacked me because he probably was or wants to be a non-bar J.D. student at a California law school and is upset the law school situation is about to be radically and I mean radically change, non-ABA law schools will be around but very very few of them and the admission requirements will be tighten and all unaccredited law school students will either have to pass the baby bar or be exempt.

THIS IS A GOOD THING!

The BPPVE is one of the worst California agencies and will give a license to operate a law school to anyone including a non-member of the bar, a guy out of his spare bedroom.

The State Bar is going to toughen up the regulations BIG TIME!

I have 4 degrees, earned every single one of them, I will not back down, I will continue to help the State of California forever tighten up the law schools!

 

Doesn't matter at whom your comments are directed, all of us read them.

And no, your credentials are not all that impressive vis-a-vis those whom I mentioned in my post. In fact, they're paltry in a relative sense. Unless, of course, your LLM was from Berkeley and your MBA from Stanford. But somehow, I think the odds of that are somewhere along the lines of me hitting on the Lotto. And I didn't buy a ticket.

And as a general rule of thumb, when you tout your "impressive" credentials, it's a good idea to spell "impressive" correctly.

As for the California bill, I have no position; I don't care one way or the other. But I wish you and your side in the issue well. Don't back down there, go for it. But please back down from flouting your stellar credentials. Given that your demeanor is very typical of one deeply insecure, it honestly makes me wonder if you, too, aren't actually a "wannabe lawyer".

 

gonna keeping touting

Not insecure at all!

Undergraduate degree Regionally accredited.

Graduate business degree Regionally accredited.

Missed-State Bar Accredited degree J.D. at Lincoln by only 4 classes due to family problem but was awarded J.D. at Northwestern California @ 4.0 GPA.

Graduated with LL.M from ABA approved law school over 3.0 GPA.

Was accepted in LL.M program at University of San Francisco and Golden Gate University and chose another school and glad that I did since Golden Gate is on ABA probation right now.

Also hold a California Real Estate Broker's License, what the hell you got???

Frankly, dont care about Dr. Bear's books, read them, lots of misinformation, not updated correctly, he is basically in a gone fishing mode anyway, but he doesnt walk on water either!

Ph.D's dont impress me at all, my whole graduate school instructors were full of them., nothing to me really.

Just get me in a room full lawyers no matter where they went to law school I just eat them up.

Course never met a lawyer from a 1 man law school operation ever!

 

Attacked you?

I believe that I have challenged you to come up with an argument to support your position... to which I only receive responses that you are personally "insulted" by this kind of law school... Some legal argument this is for an "awesome lawyer" who can't pass the bar...

No degree? Since when have I said anything of the sort?

Bottem line: People see you for what you are...

P.S. - I don't really care whether S.B. 1568 passes or not. It has no effect on me as I am not, and do not plan on ever living in California. I just get a kick out of your reaction!

 

Lets see you dont have a dog in this fight, your not a potential or previous law school student yet I didnt present my argument
well enough for you? lol lol

You must have alot of time to sit in your chair and pick fights with lawyers online when your not engaged in the single handed happy ending exercise with your right hand.

I said there is no such thing as a Medical Degree, M.D. degree that doesnt let someone practice the medical profession or doesnt qualify one to take the National Board Exam and as a result of this there should not be a law school that gives a J.D. degree, a law degree that doesnt qualify the person to sit for
the bar and practice law.

Is that like super-hard to understand???

I then said a 1 man operation law school out
of a spare bedroom or garage was really not a law school and such degrees were in insult to me who has a bar qualifying J.D. degree and an LL.M degree with 3.0 GPA from an ABA law school.

Now if you, Dude, with no degrees, can not understand that simple argument go back to your single right hand self indulgence exercise and lets those of us with the credentials continue the debate.

 

Re: gonna keeping touting

I can't help but think that you never passed the Cal Bar and now have become a real estate agent. And you're insecure and unhappy about it. Not that there's anything wrong with that in the entire scheme of things, but if half true, it sure does fall short of the glory which you ascribe to your countenance.

Degrees don't mean much at all. I really resent your attitude that they somehow make you better than the next guy. I came from a family where nobody had even graduated from high school, so I think your condescension stinks out loud.

So then, since you're dancing all around it, what wonderful institution did you go to for: LLM, MBA? What fabulous creds have you that qualify you to be unimpressed with PhDs, including--presumably, given the context of your comments--Dr. Gollin's PhD in Physics from Princeton? Because, given your smugness, if it wasn't top schools all around, you're just a braying ass.

And while you're at it, counselor--if you are one--learn to write and learn to spell. In the context you used it, it's "you're", not "your", it's "impressive", not "impresive". You know, it doesn't take that much effort or brilliance to check these things out; it's called research, it's what lawyers typically do.

But--to take a play from your book--perhaps that takes the kind of mind that one sees only from a true ABA JD rather than Cal-Bar only; perhaps that takes the kind of mind that one sees from a student of an internationally-known LLM program like London rather than a crummy little fourth tier; perhaps that takes the kind of mind that one sees only from an AACSB MBA student, not an RA-only one; perhaps that takes the kind of mind that one sees only in a bar passer rather than a bar failure who must settle for real estate licensure. Boy, I'll bet that was one tough exam! I'm sure you've convinced yourself it was tougher than the bar you failed.

OK, now that that's said, let me say all of those are junk arguments, ad hominem, unfair, crap. But they're pretty much what you've been living on here.

Drop the attitude--very unbecoming.