Wiki self promotion? Is Concord Law the only school with the Executive JD?

Apparently he didn't take the legal research class in law school.

 

Dude,

Who has bad spelling now? "acreditted undergraduate degree"

Check your post, and dont throw stones if you live in a glass house.

Yes all my degrees are real!

I went to Lincoln Law School in San Jose, which has been around since 1926 and is State Bar accredited with around 500 practicing lawyers in the Bar Area.

 

Dude,

Read my earlier posts.

I took Legal Research twice.

Once the old fashion way for my Juris Doctor program and a second time the Lexis-Nexis way for my ABA LL.M degree.

 

Because it's irrelevant to my opinion--that is, unless someone is approaching me as a client; that's the only time it matters.

Does the fact that I have a law degree from a top-tier and am working on an MBA from a nationally-ranked school make my opinions right and yours wrong? Nonsense. People have a right to an opinion, they can be judged accordingly. Credentials may lend some credence to them, but the flip side of it in the present case--that one cannot hold a reasoned opinion on the California oversight of non-bar JDs without posessing a JD themselves--is balderdash.

Dude has a right to an opinion. Besides, if education is your criterion, it seems that he's doing just fine there (as are you).

 

and what is a Top-Tier MBA school?

 

I have a MBA long before I went to Law School, found the degree to be utterly useless as alot of people have them but I do understand what drives people to get the degree.

So I would be curious where are you going for your MBA?

 

With regard to correspondence law schools and the State Bar and the BPPVE and the new law changes coming into effect, I personally know very very well 2 Deans at 2 correspondence law schools and I am very familar with the California law regarding
these schools down to a tee as I personally have campaigned
to eliminate non bar J.D. degrees and to cut the number of California law schools and new ones crop and leave every 6 months around here, I live and work in California.

"Dude" on the other hand has no idea about the correspondence
school situation here in California or the feeling among the legal community about the poor quality at all these schools except for about 2 of them, William Howard Taft and Nortwestern California
where the actually produce lawyers and have for years including
lawyers working as deputy district attorneys.

The other correspondence schools hand out non bar J.D. degrees like candy. They demean those that are bar qualifed and are admitted to the bar.

 

I didn't say "top-tier" MBA, I said "top-tier" law school. My law school was ranked 30th the year I graduated; it's now somewhere in the low 40s. Big whoop. Aren't you impressed? You shouldn't be.

I said "nationally-ranked" MBA program. The University of Massachusetts-Amherst has been ranked in the 60-somethings for the last few years by USN. I don't know where it is--if anywhere--this year. I didn't shell out for the USN premium rankings service. But again: big whoop. Means squat.

 

Besides being admitted to Michigan, are you admitted to Arizona
as well?

 

Actually, it's not Michigan, it's Minnesota. Yes, I was admitted in Arizona, but I let it go inactive when I moved from the desert heat to the chilly woods and determined I'd never move back.

Now, Mr. JD/LLM, how about you? You've grilled me like the DA on cross in a capital offense case. What schools did you go to for bachelors, MBA and LLM?

 

I don't know why you're so obsessively interested in my schools and such; I've never made them the centerpiece of my authority quite like you have (but for that one idiotic post I made months back). The best lawyers I've ever been acquainted with went to third and fourth tier schools: Michigan State/DCL and William Mitchell; the best businessmen I've ever run across personally never even attended graduate business school. Why's it such an issue?

 

Actually not an issue I prefer to focus on California Distance Law Schools.

 

Well by golly you could've fooled me! By the way, how's the legislation going? You've got me interested.

(and don't think I'm going to let you weasel out--tell me your credentials, feller, or I'll cry "foul")

 

Ya got me!!! I knew I was gonna slip up eventually and you'd be there to catch me! The work of a true academic Superman... Congratulations!!!

You still need to learn the difference between "your" and "you're," "its" versus "it's," etc. however.

The main difference between us is that while I make a few mistakes here and there, I do not constantly shout my credentials to the rest of the world as if all are required to respect me. Therefore it doesn't look so ridiculous when I make errors in my spelling or grammar. I have yet to see a post from you without serious mistakes in one of these categories.

 

I'm interested in the legislation as well. Please update us on your progress.

How long until it is appropriate to cry "foul"?

 

I dont know the vote was supposed to be today. The mood
in California is the agency that is supposed to "approve"
all unaccredited law schools has failed it's job.

Secondly, a sunset law is due to take place that would eliminate
the agency anyway and everyone it seems is against the agency
continuing although I am not sure what would replace it for
non-law schools.

Thirdly, since a rather terrible "law school" named Saratoga University which was run by 1 guy, (not a member of the bar),
out of his spare bedroom in San Jose, screwed a bunch of students when he suddenly closed, they couldnt get transcripts, or tuition refunds and was found to have awarded many non-bar J.D. students Juris Doctor degrees in less then a year for the whole program the State Bar got real upset and was pressured
by the legal community to basically stop what it considered bogus degrees.

It got alot of bad press in almost every legal publication and most of the bay area newspapers and caused considerable embarssment for the State as well as cast a light on the huge number of fly-by-night "law schools".

The bill gives State Bar control over all law schools in California except ABA law schools and will over time as regulations are implemented eliminate the non-bar J.D. degree and eliminate
those correspondence and unaccredited residential law schools
that have lax standards and poor bar pass rates.

I went to a State Bar accredited law school that has been around since 1926 and then after a hiatus transferred to another school for the last 2 semesters for the Juris Doctor degree and after that graduated with a Master of Laws from St. Thomas University School of Law in Miami Florida, a Catholic Law School and no simple feat I might add.

My thesis was graded by 2 faculty members from St. Thomas and a law professor from the University of Florida School of Law that was on board for the sole purpose of providing a 3rd objective grade review of the paper for which I received the grade of A.

I was accepted at Golden Gate University School of Law and University of San Francisco School of Law and choose the program
at St. Thomas University.

The Dean of the Law School, Bob Butterworth is the former Attorney General of Florida and longest serving State Attorney General in U.S history and is a nice guy and personally meets with students including having a Master of Laws party at his house for all students prior to graduation. Find another ABA law school that does that every year!

 

St. Thomas is one of the precious few DL LLMs out there. Did you take it that way, or in-person? (not that it matters, I'm doing the MBA DL)

So, we have:

Legal Studies, Lincoln Law School of San Jose
JD - Unk
LLM - University of St. Thomas
MBA - Unk


Help- me fill in the blanks, make my life complete

 

St. Thomas is the only ABA law school to offer the Master of Laws online, however, I did attend many functions on campus ,met with faculty, dean, etc.

I dont see any other ABA law school offering the Master of Laws degree via distance learning anytime in the future as the ABA frowns on this big time.

St. Thomas has taken alot of heat for this degree online and a number of students with non ABA law degrees used the LL.M from St. Thomas for bar admission to Arizona, Michigan, North Carolina, Vermont, and several other states, however, those states eliminated the LL.M degree from ABA law school bar admission provision in their rules.

The program is rigid and cant be done in less then 2 years and many of my classmates working as an attorney in a law firm while attending St. Thomas were having difficult meeting the graduation requirement for the Legal Writing and Thesis requirement and yet they had graduated with a J.D. from
an ABA law school, it is not an easy program, I graduated with 3.0 GPA

They have been doing it since 1998 and have ABA approval to offer the J.S.D degree online as well, while the ABA does not accredit the LL.M program it must approve the program before the ABA approved law school can offer the degree program.

There is no other ABA law school that offers the Master of Laws via distance learning and frankly I am glad I did not choose Golden Gate University since it is on ABA probation and the quality is somewhat suspect now, but enough about me.

Actually Golden Gate University School of Law and University of San Francisco Law School were cheaper then St. Thomas University.

The focus is not on me and my 4 degrees, the focus is on changing these ridiculous non-bar J.D. degrees and 1 man law school operations.

You dont support Juris Doctor degrees that dont qualify for the bar, do you?

 

Generally people who are confident in the qualifications don't feel the need to tout them at any available opportunity.

UConn.

 

Wow, this is a long thread. I have a serious question for all of you lawyer types out there regarding the non-bar qualifying JD degrees out there. My question is this:

If someone completes a bar-qualifying JD program and then does not take, or fails to pass, the bar exam, is the utility of that JD really all that different than an exectuve or non-bar JD degree? I mean, the arguement has been made over and over again that a JD is a professional degree specifically intended to allow a person to be admitted to the practice of law, so if that goal is not met, is a JD degree any more valuable than an EJD degree?

PS: My accademic credentials are listed below my signature line, in case you care............