Whatever happened to the wall?

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by Abner, Sep 30, 2018.

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  1. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Take 'em all - every one. I could care less.
     
  2. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Hm. Living remote from my family always seemed like a GOOD thing to me...;)
     
  3. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Living remote from my parents might have been a good thing - but my kids and grandkids - nah.
     
  4. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Hard to see now how the White House can get funding for The Wall after the Blue Wave. But we will see.
     
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  5. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

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    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

  7. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    I agree about hockey players but surely you want to hang on to your curlers??
     
  8. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

  9. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Trump is anti-immigration (unless, of course, it's done legally).

    Also, the article says "There is no evidence that Mr. Trump or Trump Organization executives knew of their immigration status."

    Of course not.

    Why do we need evidence, anyway? Trump is so horrible, it negates our need to be intellectually and morally honest.
     
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  10. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    So he supports bill cutting legal immigration in half, institutes his famous "it's not a Muslim ban" Muslim ban (by definition applying to people trying to enter country legally), lies about "anchor babies" and DV lottery winners (legal, and legal), complains about "sh*thole countries", dumps on H1B program his wife used (but not on controversial EBGC5 investor visas - Jared makes money selling these to wealthy Chinese), and keeps employing (and listening to) Stephen Miller because he's so pro-immigration? Wake up dude.

    Fun fact: Polish undocumented crew doing demolition work at Trump Tower construction site was hired precisely because it was cheaper - and that is one project where Trump was famously hands on.
    Also, this turd: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/donald-trump-model-management-illegal-immigration/#testb Start polishing.

    Nothing beats supporting a "persistently illegal" President of United States, use dishonest "mind reading" demagoguery, and at the same time demanding others are "intellectually and morally honest". Keep it up.
     
  11. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

  12. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    @Stanislav

    Quite some time ago, I told you that I was going to completely ignore everything that you post on this site. You're the only person I've ever had such a policy towards, and the reason why I've done so is because I have no interest in attempting to make rational dialectic out of your aimless non-sequitur, question-begging epithets, strawman arguments, misrepresentations, false assertions, circular arguments, false equivalencies and the like.

    Unluckily for me, I was reading this on mobile, had usernames cut off of the left side of my screen, and I found myself once again sucked into your hall or horrors. I've made a promise to myself that I'll never make that mistake again, but I digress. Ignoring all the aforementioned diversion tactics in your post, you still manage to get my attention with something I feel compelled to address.

    You know full well that I'm not a Trump supporter, and this is far from the only time you've been reminded of this fact. The fact that you have to flat out lie in order to get your point across (and more sharply circumvent the actual point of the post you were responding to) smacks of an even greater level of desperation than you normally display.

    If you want to keep lying about me, then that's on you. I don't take it personally, so you won't be hurting my feelings. You've been called out on it and you will only make yourself look worse.

    Now, if you'll excuse me, I'll go back to ignoring everything you post. I like this forum a lot better that way.
     
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  13. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    At least Stanislav isn't trashing your credentials like he's attempting to trash mine. I haven't quite figured that out since I never said anything against him here.

    I still don't have anything negative to say about him. Except, perhaps, that me again may have been right. :D
     
  14. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    What worries me about being anti-immigrant is that the United States overall fertility rate is significantly below replacement. The only thing that keeps us from tipping into a depopulation spiral (see Japan and Russia for instance) is immigration. Now at first blush a declining population might seem to be a good thing since it keeps a country from overcrowding. But the effect on the population pyramid is not good. Social Security and Medicare depend on younger workers to support benefits paid to older workers and that gets hard to do if there are fewer and fewer younger workers.

    As a policy matter, the U.S. needs to welcome immigrants if we are to continue as a nation.
     
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  15. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Besides, where will the next generation of curlers come from??;)
     
  16. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Delightful. Mighty Levicoff needs a buddy to attack me. Who would predict that!

    I'm not trashing your credentials. You do, when you trash people pursuing degrees at the likes of Cumberlands or SATS. To the wast majority of people in the industry, you have a distance (most people would say "online") doctorate in a soft subject. At least an EdD in "Leadership" is something real schools offer, as cash cows - and students get RA doctorates, just like you. When you laugh at that, others laugh AT you, not with you. Someone needs to be your reality check, y'know?
     
  17. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    You know, I don't track your political leanings, just respond to your post. The fact is this: notion that Trump is anti-immigrant, seeing how he supported Purdue-Cotton bill (among other actions), is far from controversial. Meaning, there is evidence to support it, as you well know. You might have argued against this, by bringing new evidence, or new interpretation. Instead, you chose "to flat out lie in order to get your point across", while calling others for "intellectual honesty". This is such a Trumpist move that I naturally assumed you are, in fact, a Trumpist. I sincerely apologize for that, while chuckling at the notion that "Trump supporter" is an insult now:D.

    Now, back to Trump: I think it is fairly clear that whatever his personal position on immigration is, he is perfectly willing to support or condemn any migration, legal or illegal, as long as he things it'll boost HIMSELF in any way. However, as a public figure, President Trump is currently anti-immigrant - in policy and, especially, message. This is simply because anti-immigrant position is Trump's biggest applause line with his most devoted audience. I don't see how any of this isn't obvious.
     
  18. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

  19. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I completely agree. Plus I've driven through those rectangular states, so I can't even imagine worrying about overcrowding.
     
  20. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

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