West Clayton University

Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by jaer57, Mar 11, 2009.

  1. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I can't believe it was by accident. James, I wish you well, and hope your West Clayton um..."degree" brings you all the success and happiness you can stand.
    Don't worry - I won't say anything about it to anybody. I've already forgotten about it. Best I can do. 'Bye.
  2. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    This post--an unverifiable anecdote at best--confuses the concept of cause-and-effect when, more likely (again, if true) it is a coincidence.

    What I'm continuously dismayed about--and again, I doubt this one is even real--is the willingness of people like this poster to ignore the obvious ethical issues of using such a credential.
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  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Shilling will do that.
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  4. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Do you have some sort of telecommunication time machine?
  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Yes, it will. Shilling -- for a bad school that died so many years ago! Pathetic and futile. Dare I add, dumb?
  6. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    Nobody is here looking to hire people with fake degrees on their resume. The opposite, actually. We make a sport of identifying shady institutions and protecting people from them.

    Experience matters. So does integrity. Some people have fake degrees on their resume out of ignorance of the process. Those people are often embarrassed when they find out. Some even go back and get real degrees. Others know better and willingly take a shortcut. I'm sure those employees are doing well, but what Kizmet said was that they were doing well despite their fraud, not because of it.

    You say "they had to have work experience, also other schooling and or certificates added to work experience also helped to get the degree" This is a classic tactic of people selling bogus life experience degrees. They're no different than a complete fake, they just dress it up a little. The reality is that they didn't complete the work required of a recognized degree.

    Edit: Look at this from the Texas Department of Education's List of Fradulent/Substandard Institutions (note link auto-downloads XlS - https://reportcenter.highered.texas.gov/agency-publication/miscellaneous/fraudulent-substandard-institution-list-2018/)

    Listed since 2006!
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  7. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    When you decide to come back here and shill again for this degree mill in four years or so maybe I'll no longer be posting in the forum and then you can respond to this post? Your excuse why you won't back up anything you claim reminds me of a recent response Rich had to a shill in another thread about a different degree mill. You essentially sound like a little kid explaining to Mommy how the lamp got broken but it couldn't have been the fault of the kid. It is obvious to everyone except the kid that he is just lying.
  8. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to reject your proposal.
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  9. james2jm

    james2jm New Member

    Back again. Topic came up yesterday and remembered this website, Curious what was written since then. Looking back, is seems, the post got a little off track. The original post was - had a potential employee that had a degree from W.C.U, and if any one had any experience with this.- So I told my experience and a lot of people got mad. The person we hired wasn't hired for the degree so that wasn't a factor, he was hired for his experience and what he could do for the company, and proved himself during the grace period. If he was hired based on just the degree then that would probable be another topic, as it's not what the original post question was. That would be a good topic for a post "Would you hire someone with a fake degree if they can do the job?" Or maybe this is what the original post was asking. Another one that would be really good is "Why should someone get paid more at their company after they get a degree, but the degree is not in their field of work??" I have friends in this category. Now getting of subject again. This website is about getting a degree, types of degree, accredited degrees, job related degrees. etc..
  10. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    If they can do the job they shouldn't be listing the fake degree, and doing so demonstrates their desire to mislead or their ignorance of the process. If ignorant, they should be taught what the issue is and the degree removed. If they refuse, they move into the "mislead" category and shouldn't be hired.

    If they can't do the job because they should have learned the skills in the degree, they shouldn't be hired.

    If they have a valid degree from a different field than their employment, they likely bring knowledge and a diversity of thought that is useful.

    In my tech career I've worked with librarians, teachers and anthropology majors and learned something from every one of them.

    Should a degree lead to an automatic pay raise? My gut says yes, because it incentivizes employees investing in themselves which is valuable in a lot of ways. As long as they actually earned the degree and didn't just buy a piece of paper from a mill.
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  11. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    Also, as a reminder: this scam school has been on the prohibited list since 2006. They do not have recognized accreditation. They do not have degree-granting authority. They do not deliver classes, provide instruction or assess learning.

    They take your money and give you a piece of paper. They are a scam and any shill promoting them is along for the ride.
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  12. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    Not to be confused with Clayton State University (a public University).

    This says West Clayton University was registered in Panama and is "Suspendido". C'Mon.


    If someone showed up with an alleged diploma mill credential like that, wouldn't that be enough to question the ethics and/or decision making of a potential employee and perhaps even be insulted that they considered you stupid enough to try and float the excrement across your desk?
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  13. AsianStew

    AsianStew Moderator Staff Member

    For those reading, be careful about all the institutions you're interested in, do your research and make sure it meets the requirements for accreditation with the correct authorities in the country you're looking towards completing your education. For example, here in the US, make sure they're either Regionally Accredited or Nationally Accredited, or in addition, have programmatic/secondary accreditation. International institutions have their countries Ministry of Education equivalent...
  14. MasterChief

    MasterChief Member

    This employee may have the experience your unnamed company requires, but it sets a low bar on ethics and their hiring criteria. A more honest job applicant without the degree AND the experience deserves that job. However, I wouldn't work for a company that was okay with hiring people with diploma mill degrees.
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  15. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Not if the job required a minimum amount of integrity. Presenting a fake degree is a fraud and a lie.
  16. Tireman 44444

    Tireman 44444 Well-Known Member

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  17. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I first heard of Humble, Texas in connection with this "school" about 17 years ago, in my early learning-curve about degree mills. Always wondered where it got its name. At first I thought from Humble Oil but no - the Oil Co. took its name from the town. (Humble Oil was folded into Exxon long ago.)

    Today I found out (Google):

    "Humble was a crossroads community in 1870, named for its founder, Pleasant S. Humble, a San Jacinto River ferry operator who arrived before the Civil War. Humble ran a commissary, cut railroad ties from local timber, and served as justice of the peace."

    Pleasant Humble -- nice name. Has an almost Puritan ring to it. Good job, Mr. Humble -very nice-looking town. Thank you. :)
  18. Tireman 44444

    Tireman 44444 Well-Known Member

    Well......the city proper is 15,000. The outskirts ( where I live), Atascocita ( unincorporated) is 300,000, so it not as pleasant as you might think. LOL. It takes about 20-25 minutes to get from one end of town to another. It is a bedroom community of Houston.
  19. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Thanks. I get it. But we can hardly blame all of that on Mr. Humble. :) BTW I looked at some pics and things to do in Humble and it looked pretty good. Here's a sample.


    BTW the stone head in Pic. No 8 of the arboretum looks like the famous, huge Olmec stone heads of 200 c.e. facing the sea at La Venta, Mexico. I'm betting the one in Humble is a recent re-creation for tourists. No?
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  20. sideman

    sideman Well Known Member

    Assuming that the employee got an accredited degree, then why shouldn't they be paid more? It shows initiative, drive, persistence, a strong work ethic, et al. And you do realize that there are multitudes of workers that can't or could not find employment in their degree field but still have to put food on the table: https://www.resumebuilder.com/one-third-of-recent-college-grads-are-working-at-jobs-that-dont-require-a-college-education/#:~:text=There's%20also%20the%20question%20of,their%20major%20area%20of%20study People that studied hard at legitimate colleges, yet may eventually give up pursuing their dream job simply because of employers, perhaps even like yourself, that hire persons with fake credentials that took up valuable positions by simply making false claims about their education.

    And yes this website is about getting a degree (as in an accredited, recognized degree), types of degree (legitimate), accredited degrees (USDOE in the U.S.), job related degrees (we do our best but see the study linked above). You see James, if we didn't refer people properly to their field of study with the proper accreditation, we would soon lose our credibility. Then we would turn into just another forum that couldn't be trusted as an honest and viable source. Something I believe most of my colleagues on this site hold dear. And James, if you continue on this slippery slope, of hiring persons with false credentials, that have demonstrated their willingness to obfuscate their education, and who knows what else, then its just a matter of time before the people you serve, find you out, and you become just another one of the many businesses that end up on the scrap heap of closed businesses. But hey James, just keep kidding yourself and thinking you're the smartest guy in he room.
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