UofP Dilemma

So the NCA and ACBSP were bribed?

The wop-wop sound you hear outside is the black helicopter circling your house.

 

No wonder my local grocery store is out of aluminum foil!

 

Hmm. Why is your grocery store out of aluminum foil?

 

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U of P degrees are basically worthless. See if you can transfer those credits you've already earned to an actual university. Online colleges look bad. There are a lot of state schools and private institutions that started out as brick and mortar colleges but now offer online programs. Those are the only reputable schools to go with. Good luck.

 

Unfortunately, there are people who actually believe that tin foil will protect you from outside EMP thought-control influences.

But they are wrong! Tin foil won't protect you!

What's sad is that there are actually people out there who honestly believe this crap about aluminum foil. Whatever.

The government is going to get you!

 

I know I shouldn't ask but what are you basing this on?

 

What is the proportion of UoPs B&M students to om-line students?

(All the people I know with UoP degrees earned them through classes held at local So. Cal. facilities)

 

With a whole 4 posts under your belt, all made today and all being grenades, exactly how did you arrive at that opinion?

 

"Basically worthless"? Have you any proof of this? UoP has graduated tens of thousands of people--where are the failure stories?

There are thousands of degree-granting universities in the U.S. Name 10 that don't accept UoP credits as a matter of policy. (With support, please.) Otherwise, I suggest your statement is mere hyperbole. (Even 10 would represent a tiny minority and would hardly support your very bold--and wrong--statement.)

Did you know that UoP has about half its students studying in the classroom? UoP is certainly a school "that started out as brick and mortar colleges but now offer online programs." Wouldn't that belie your statement, too? (UoP began in the early 1970's; it began offering online degree programs in the lat 1980's.)

It's posts like these that take away from serious discussion about issues relative to DL.

 

Approximately 50/50.

 

Guys, he is a Troll.

He wanted to get a reaction from you guys. I see this all the time on other message boards, I usually never ever see this here. Oh well, just the ways of the internet.

I wonder if the poster even has a degree or is successful in his field? My Nationally Accredited degrees have helped me land a successful job in a Network Operations Center making a very good salary.

One of my degrees is from ITT, who has a lot of detractors as well. My bachelors will be from an NA school that only has 1 campus in California. It is serving me quite well!

 

Oh no, no, no.....he is a BANNED troll.

 

When they accredited the University of Phoenix, the NCA/HLC might have discovered that they were holding a tiger by its tail.

My old 2006 hard-copy of the California BPPVE's Directory of Approved Institutions shows 56 UoPx locations in California alone. And this thing is world-wide. I think that there's a U. of Phoenix campus on every corner that isn't occupied by a Starbucks. There's no way that the accreditor can make site-visits to all those many locations. I'm sure that never happens. Instead, the accreditors seem to be going on the basis of the university's glossy submissions about how wonderful its own internal controls are. So in effect, the U. of Phoenix accredits itself and the NCA/HLC just signs off on it.

Phoenix is rolling in cash, has much deeper pockets than the North Central Association, and no doubt it has a team of brutal hard-hitting lawyers like NFL linemen dressed up in zillion-dollar suits. The Apollo Group's continued success as a publicly-traded corporation depends on the University of Phoenix's regional accreditation. If there was ever the slightest hint that accreditation was in jepardy, APOL's stock price would plunge like a stone. And that would unleash the lawyers and start a tremendous wave of litigation aimed both at the North Central Association institutionally and at its officers individually. It would cost millions of dollars to defend and it could threaten the accreditor's survival.

 

Despite the position UOP has good or bad, the credits have transfer easy in all the RA and NA schools that I had apply, finished, and currently enrolled.

 

No, I don't believe that. When UoP wanted to open branch campuses in Massachusetts, it went through what is probably the toughest approval process in the entire United States. Perhaps because of the reputation Boston has in the academic community, getting a school approved by the MA Board of Higher Education requires jumping through more hoops than a trained circus poodle.

To suggest that NCA and ACBSP would jeopardize their reputations and in fact their very existence because UoP has a lot of money and lawyers is venturing into the aluminum foil beanie and black helicopter realm.

When I earned my graduate degree, I only went to Lowell twice; once because they needed to see my original DD-214 and the other to pick-up my diploma which they would have mailed but my wife wanted to see the campus (she wasn't missing much). I took my classes in state government buildings, VA facilities, and police department conference rooms, all of which I'm pretty certain the New England Association never visited.

Does that mean that UMass-Lowell accredits itself and the NEASC just signs off on it?

 

Although I'm no UoP advocate, I did take courses through the school.

1) The Commonwealth of Virginia accepted UoP courses towards my teaching license.

2) The University of South Dakota accepted UoP courses towards the EdS I'm working on.

I may not be a fan of UoP, but it IS accredited.

-Matt

 

I see a lot of people remarking on the transferability of U of P credits as if that makes it a top-notch school.

What I do not hear anyone saying is: "I am so happy that I got my degree from U of P as opposed to "insert random school here." or "Employers really love my resume with my U of P degree on it."

The reality is that U of P has shot themselves in the foot by over advertising themselves and they have become the antithesis for everyone that questions distance learning because of how much they spend marketing themselves. I would never recommend U of P, first because of price and second because of a growing negative reputation.

However, if you just need to get some classes to transfer somewhere else, then fine...but still there are cheaper options...

 

I hope you have read all the treads carefully. Despite what they are, the credits do transfer easily everywhere and me personally don't think they are top notch, but I pay $300 a class almost 20 years ago and still squeezing those credits. UOP is so heavily advertised that I am afraid one day some add will pop out of a box of cereal, every site that I go UOP is there even the ones that talk negative about them. But anyway regardless that they have a negative reputation, extremely expensive, I am not fan and will not consider teaching there(too low pay considering the billions of dollars they bring in), they are accredited. It seems it had work for a lot of people (not me) and employers are willing to pay for those credits. UOP main survival depends of tax dollars and sponsorship of corporate America, once you take those elements away you will see another ball park.

 

The old California Education Code sections gave WASC-accredited higher education institutions exemptions from state approval. But schools accredited by all the other accreditors, including out-of-state RA schools wanting to set up California remote sites, needed to get each site approved. (Phoenix had 56 California sites in 2006.)

My understanding is that when it came time for these code sections to be reauthorized (California has sunset legislation) the U. of Phoenix lobbied very intensively to get that WASC exemption extended to all of the regional accreditors. The argument was that it was a matter of basic fairness, but it would also give the U. of Phoenix freedom to operate in California without any interference from Sacramento.

Faculty labor organizations weighed in on the other side. Apparently the Democratic-controlled Legislature passed a reauthorization bill that kept things pretty much as they were, but Arnold refused to sign a bill unless it gave Phoenix the exemption that it wanted. So things froze into an impasse between the Governor and the Legislature.

And California is left with no post-secondary licensing system at all, meaning that anyone can do pretty much whatever they want. Start an "online university" and rake in the big-bucks, you don't need no stinkin' approval any more. Degree mills are starting to flood into California addresses from all around the world. It's a stupid tragedy, and totally unintended since I'm sure that both Arnold and the Dems are hardly even aware that the degree mills exist. Mills aren't even on the radar screen. This is is all about Phoenix.

When I look outside my windows at home, I often see black helicopters. I know all about black helicopters. (There's a helicopter flying school at a general aviation airport a mile or two from my house that boasts a small fleet of Robinsons, painted sinister black.)

My point is simply that the University of Phoenix has grown into such an incredible behemoth that it's unlikely that any accreditor could oversee it effectively. And it's grown into such an incredible behemoth that whatever the private concerns about it, discretion might be the better part of valor.