Universidad Azteca

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by engadnan, Mar 14, 2011.

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  1. engadnan

    engadnan Member

  2. engadnan

    engadnan Member

    I have just one question from all respected people in the thread

    "If this university is listed in UNESCO IAU, it means it is recognized by the Govt. authorities in Mexico". Regardless of what WES evaluates and what comments have been given; is this university recognized in terms of degree equivalence."
     
  3. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Baloney. I could start a legally operating university in my home here in Virginia for a three hundred dollar filing fee.
     
  4. engadnan

    engadnan Member

    Steve, pardon me, but if it was so easy to operate a university for 300$, there would be 307,006,550 universities in USA
     
  5. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    In the US, the average employer, university, or professional licensing board has no little or clue about the validity of degrees from obscure foreign universities. If they need to determine a foreign degree's equivalence, they will typically ask for an opinion from a credential evaluation service (like WES). They don't check to see whether or not the university is listed by UNESCO.

    So from a US perspective, the UNESCO listing means little or nothing. The important thing would be to get a positive evaluation from WES, or from some other recognized credential evaluation service. Unfortunately, degreeinfo is not a credential evaluation service, so don't expect to get a definitive evaluation here.

    Other countries (besides the US) might do it differently.
     
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  6. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Sorry. Steve is right. There may be slightly less than 300 million universities in the US, but new web pages come up almost daily - $300 "universities" - many offering degrees for no work, no courses, no exams, no waiting -- but never degrees for no money.

    Certainly tough to start a real school on a $300 budget, athough theoretically possible, I suppose -with enough donated resources. I know of a couple of non-stellar ones set up very cheaply in the owner's home, that have made TONS of money - but only the grads call these degrees real!

    As to Unesco - I agree with Steve and CalDog. Nobody cares - and it's a good thing too. Listing there is no guarantee of anything good or bad. I have seen some infamous howler-schools - mostly set up in less-developed countries - making much of their Unesco listing and all manner of bought-and-bogus accreditations.

    Johann
     
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  7. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    What he said!

    Abner
     
  8. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    You're assuming that greater than 0.01% of people ever think about this sort of thing.

    Anyway, here's the relevant form.

    Have fun!
     
  9. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    There are actually some ~ 20 other US states (besides Virginia) that have religious exemptions for colleges and universities.

    So you might not necessarily want to set up your school in Virginia, since they require a 2-page form and $300.

    You should shop around first. There are probably other states that will let you confer unaccredited religious degrees without that kind of hassle and expense.
     
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  10. engadnan

    engadnan Member

    I checked with the "Office of Degree Equivalence" in my country, and they said that they would recongize all those universities which are listed in UNESCO IAU Handbook.
     
  11. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    OK, that's fantastic for you. If you want a degree from that school then sure, go ahead. If it works for you that's great, best of luck. But please stop trying to convince us. Let it go.
     
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  12. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    The difference is that in Mexico many of these "basement" operations actually have government accreditation (equivalent to US RA) and might appear in the UNESCO handbook.

    The Azteca degree might be the beginning of a new "wave" of Mexican degrees offered online to the English world. The reality is that many of these degrees might work for some people so we will be seeing these degrees more often.
     
  13. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Sadly, the same handbook is used by our admissions department so it is possible that many of these "less than wonderful" degrees are used for admissions into Canadian school very often.
     
  14. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Sure looks like it. Here's a statement purporting to be from WES - and upon careful reading, it looks like Azteca has the reconocimiento de validez etc. that Mexican schools need for legitimacy in their homeland and for foreign equivalency. Like it or not -- as RFValve says, it looks like we could be seeing a lot of this and other schools of its ilk -- at least under the current rules of engagement!

    Universidad Azteca International Network System - Evaluation Recognition
     
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  15. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    Okay, based on the link to the educational web site from their main university site, it appears the two are connected. It appears it is accredited. May have very good academic....who knows. Appears to be Mexico's answer the University of Phoenix. Terrible...terrible web site design (like we went cheap and hired a diploma mill web designer).

    Can anyone find the tuition on the site?
     
  16. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    Also, I know a guy who'll be very happy to sell you a Rulex watch. It fell off the back of a truck! Considering the questions that arise regarding this "organization" I would ask anyone, ANYONE (engadnan) to explain to me why this would be a preferred degree. Of all the schools in the world, why would anyone choose this one? (I already know the answer, I just want to play out the debate.)
     
  17. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member



    Because Azteca rhymes with Tolteca. :smile:

    Abner
     
  18. engadnan

    engadnan Member

    Kizmet, here is your answer:

    I am a citizen of a third world country, rather better to say a very poor country. Citizens of my country can't afford to pay 7000$ to 15000$ to get an American or a British degree. So, we opt to have a foreign degrees at a reasonable cost, let say 2500 Euros in case of Azteca. If i was born in USA, or banks in my country provide loans for education; i would also have opted Oxford, Cambridge and MIT.

    My question in the first instant was that whether "Universidad Azteca" is recongized or not ? Rather to provide a simple answer in terms of "YES" or "NO", you are just playiong around the debate making it difficult to understand the Mexican Education System.

    Last but not the least, you said "I already know the answer, I just want to play out the debate". Sorry, you are not aware of the harsh realities of the third world countries.

    This is a public forum, where i always look back for help and advice. Its not the property of an indiviual and i have honestly no bias for any university.
     
  19. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    Regardless of your personal circumstances it remains a non-school/bad deal. You'd be better off enrolling at UNISA.

    没有同情。我出生在合肥
     
  20. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    :banana::banana::banana::banana:
     

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