Universidad Azteca

Engadnan,

Mejor encuentra otra universidad.

Abner

 

Also rhymes with Olmeca

Yeah - also rhymes with Olmeca. From my drinking days (gone now), I remember that brand as very good tequila. Also a pretty fair general anaesthetic, in sufficient quantities!

As far as Universidad Azteca goes - living in Canada, I wouldn't want it. Possible exception - if I was after a degree in Spanish language and literature. If I lived in the third world, I might very well want to go there - but I'd check out IGNOU first. For SAARC countries, it's priced for the popular market.

IGNOU is not much of an option overseas though -- don't think the school has answered a foreign e-mail in years. Also, it has a separate price-chart for other (non-SAARC) countries -as much as 40 times the in-India cost.

No matter how much we don't like Azteca, if it can maintain its government-authorized status and can provide service, this school may end up eating IGNOU's (and possibly UNISA's) lunch in some (large) overseas markets.

Just my 2 cents.

Johann

 

I think the fact that Sheila Danzig markets their degrees might be an indication...

 

Danzig?

Danzig - Mother - YouTube


Abner :smile:

 

Hi

Sorry Abner - I can't see the video - uploader doesn't want it seen in Canada, for some reason. In case some readers don't know who Sheila Danzig is -- here's an old thread about her association with some schools of less-than-stellar repute.

http://www.degreeinfo.com/general-distance-learning-discussions/29998-sheila-danzig-now-foreign-credential-evaluator.html

Sheila has a couple of websites that you can easily Google. Say what you want about her past with schools in disrepute and you'll find agreement, but she's sure got chutzpah - and some business acumen. She claims on her site to have made $20 million in the marketing game and that she can teach you how.

I'd say that her marketing of Azteca (which I did not know about) means she's found yet another money-making loophole. Yes, Lukeness, it may well be an indication....

Johann

 

I'll agree with your statement about UNISA. In terms of Hefei, you got out. The OP whomever he is, is presenting himself as still dealing with it.

 

Sooo, you're saying that it's OK to recommend substandard schools to poor people?

 

I must have missed that part where you took classes and found them substanderd.

 

Lets stay on point and not create a circular discussion. You're a smart woman being intentionally obtuse.

In terms of sympathy: Considering the reach of the site and the way that the Internet is being embraced by emerging countries I'm willing to bet there's a fair mix of people that had it better than you did growing up and perhaps a minority that had it worse. Don't assume you're a decent comparison because you're in the U.S now set to a certain standard of living and the OP likely isn't. Nuff said there cause I do respect you regardless of whether I should or not.

In terms of recommended sub-standard schools to poor people: I would recommend Harvard to every poor person I know considering that if a family makes under 40k per year the students go for free (considering current grants if the kids get in). However, there's what is possible, and then there is what is practical for every person and advice given without context is generally crap.

1. What is sub-standard when the student's home country is considered? If we only consider U.S/U.K and European schools as the benchmark, most of the rest of the schools in the world are sub-standard. I'd even put most of U.S schools as sub standard to IIT or what the new research universities in Beijing are going to be doing. I'm sure that Azteca is better than a lot of places. It's relative.

2. What can the student afford? Are we talking about a U.S standard of living or does the OP drive his family of five on a scooter every day and find his largest obstacle avoiding the upended oxen carts outside of Mumbai? (yes I've photos of this event, it was unreal from an American perspective).

3. Considering the two points above, can the student get an education any other way or is his or her alternative a much worse outcome? No idea here.

So while from a U.S. perspective, making U.S money and being able to work anywhere in the world based on my education from completely proper, adequate and standard schools I would absolutely not recommend Azteca to any of my friends with the same perspective, I may recommend it if the alternative is no education at all or if there are only equivalent alternatives and Azteca is more convenient.

This of course presumes that Azteca is indeed a "real" education broker.

Sorry for the long post. I could just foresee this reply completely derailing the thread otherwise.

 

OK, I see. You're recommending Azteca to this person. That's fine, as long as it's clear.

 

Kizmet, its not the problem of one person. What i are trying to figure is not the fame of any school here; rather its worldwide equivalence.

 

I hear you, American and British education are very expensive.
I don't know your field but I can recommend British qualifications by examination like the ones from University of London. They are quite affordable, if you follow ACCA for example you can get an equivalent to a Master's degree from 2500 euros.

There are many accredited qualifications by examination.

Azteca might be accredited but also you have to look for credibility. You are better off with an accredited qualification by examination from the University of London or Heriott Watt than Azteca anytime.

In the business world there are few highly recognized qualifications by examination such as CPA Australia, ACCA, AIA, etc.

Many people from India immigrate to the Europe, Australia, US by using qualifications per examination every year for less than 3000 euros.

I don't know why you would need an Azteca degree but make sure that you will put money in something that will respond to your needs.

 

Sure, i am counting my options with UNISA, IGNOU and University of London

Thanks to all of you for a healthy dicscussion.

 

People who are saying that Azteca is substandard are over stating something based on no facts. This is something we cannot answer. It appears to be accredited (and there are some world class Mexican Universities) and RFValve's advice is good (make sure it will meet your needs). What we can say is that the questionable confidence inspired by this school is its own fault. They have terrible web site(s) that are cheesy and look like the diploma mill sites that periodically get exposed on another board. In other words the sites are lousy in terms of design and since they resemble mill sites it makes you wonder how good anything else is. I mean one of their faculty has two PhD's with IIRC at least one in IT and this was all they could come up with?????

The other thing that is uncertain is with regard to why they need these partnerships to award double doctorates????

To me there are enough ?????? to make me be cautious.

 

Provided that it's his or her best choice from the options available, and only then. I think that RF had a good point about UoL qualifications that sounds better.

 

Unfortunately, this is the type of bias opinion that you would need to face with a degree from Azteca or from any non first world nation. Many would not understand that you live in the US, don't speak Spanish but have a Mexican degree from an obscure school, it just doesn't look right even if the school has all the right paper work.

I know the case of a person that immigrated to Canada that was tired of defending his degree from Africa. At some point, he bought an American MBA from a degree mill and his resume starting getting more acceptance. People are bias, many would not question a degree mill from an American school but would question an African degree just because is African.

However, there are cases where the Azteca degree would be useful. Let's say that you need a degree so you can write the CPA exam, get into Law school or an MBA program. The degree has some utility for sure.

 

From a US perspective, I wouldn't count on an Azteca degree working in those situations.

In the US, universities and licensing boards often specify "regionally accredited" degrees, or "foreign equivalents". They typically ask for a credential evaluation if they are unsure about a foreign degree. There is no assurance that an Azteca degree would be considered equivalent to a US RA degree.

Some Mexican degrees, such as those from top schools like UNAM or ITESM, probably would be considered RA-equivalent (in fact, there's no doubt at all about ITESM, because it has US regional accreditation from SACS).

But it doesn't follow that all Mexican degrees would be considered RA-equivalent. And a non-RA degree (whether US or foreign) may fail to meet the requirements of a CPA board, a law school, or an MBA program.

 

That is why I mentioned that the degree would need to pass the "WES" test before considered by American residents. However, the person in question, is not a resident of the US and explained that the UNESCO handbook's membership is the only requirement to be considered accredited in his home country and Azteca appears to satisfy this requirement.

WES has a preevaluation service so you can tell for $25 bucks if Azteca would be evaluated as RA equivalent but as Caldog explained, I would be surprised if the degree is evaluated positively but you will never know unless you try it.

 

Even if the school is accredited and can get an evaluation that says it is RA, imagine what happens when a prospective employer looks at these sites. Not going to get a great impression. When the impression is not good it is not necessarily going to help you get a job that it is RA equivalent. How may times have you seen negative comments about the University of Phoenix? Does that sometimes hurt job seekers even though the school is RA (yeah I suspect so).

Steve Levicoff as I recall feels negatively about foreign schools in general since if you get a degree from an Australian university (for example) he feels it is hard to explain to someone that you went there but never went there. I think he overstates the issue since with DL that is true in many cases. But I have met doctoral grads who are from traditional programs and look very negatively on any program that is DL (even if Regionally accredited).